The AK-47 in Israeli Service

[milluim]

oh definitly permits also you have to meet with a police superintendinant have a chat with him so he knows youre not a fruit cake .22 and 308 are most common other calibers you have to jump through hoops to get pistols were banned in the 70s and all owners had to have them stored in the police headquarters now there back about 5 years there trying to ban them again due to crime but theres no connection to target pistols and our huge murder rate here. theres only about 3000 licenced handguns in the country. and about 10000 rifles and shotguns. the security to get a licence is crazy aswell armoured safes that are bolted to a wall. even police cant get 9mm licences for target shooting in competitions. some real backwards laws over here most people go for .177 air rifles as there the easyist to get i still have my "paratrooper" but im not allowed to have more than 100 rounds at any time.

[GB_FXST]

Originally Posted by milluim

oh definitly permits also you have to meet with a police superintendinant have a chat with him so he knows youre not a fruit cake .22 and 308 are most common other calibers you have to jump through hoops to get pistols were banned in the 70s and all owners had to have them stored in the police headquarters now there back about 5 years there trying to ban them again due to crime but theres no connection to target pistols and our huge murder rate here. theres only about 3000 licenced handguns in the country. and about 10000 rifles and shotguns. the security to get a licence is crazy aswell armoured safes that are bolted to a wall. even police cant get 9mm licences for target shooting in competitions. some real backwards laws over here most people go for .177 air rifles as there the easyist to get i still have my "paratrooper" but im not allowed to have more than 100 rounds at any time.

Thank you for that information.

I am most thankful for the US 2nd Amendment.

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by scelli

And sometimes it's who do you love.....

I prefer the don't ask don't tell policy, especially the don't ask part. lol Because I would have no desire to know in certain cases. lol

Originally Posted by GB_FXST

Thank you for that information.

I am most thankful for the US 2nd Amendment.

As am I. I have many things gun haters would dislike though they are legal.

[milluim]

Originally Posted by GB_FXST

Thank you for that information.

I am most thankful for the US 2nd Amendment.

I Have a relative in Arizona who used to train navy seals I wish I lived there he has some serious firepower at his disposal in his ranch

[rafi]

Hey Everyone!

Authoritative answer:

After the 1973 war, many troops kept allot of the weapons that were captured. AK-47s and SKS rifles were the two biggies. But everything else under the sun was used. You have no way of knowing if a weapon you saw was issued or just in use.

In the late 70s a major round-up was initiated and bases were sealed and gone through to find unregistered weapons. The numbers were pretty staggering-how many of us had momentos.

[LoneRider]

Hey Everyone!

Authoritative answer:

After the 1973 war, many troops kept allot of the weapons that were captured. AK-47s and SKS rifles were the two biggies. But everything else under the sun was used. You have no way of knowing if a weapon you saw was issued or just in use.

In the late 70s a major round-up was initiated and bases were sealed and gone through to find unregistered weapons. The numbers were pretty staggering-how many of us had momentos.

Thanks for clearing that up. I imagine that the Sayerets and comparable units used the AKs for clandestine/deniable operations where evidence of Israeli involvement could prove detrimental.

I also recall some of the Entebbe raiders were armed with AKs and Muki (sp?) Betser (sp?) formerly of the Sayeret Matkal was a bigtime fan of the weapon.

[rafi]

Originally Posted by LoneRider

Thanks for clearing that up. I imagine that the Sayerets and comparable units used the AKs for clandestine/deniable operations where evidence of Israeli involvement could prove detrimental.

I also recall some of the Entebbe raiders were armed with AKs and Muki (sp?) Betser (sp?) formerly of the Sayeret Matkal was a bigtime fan of the weapon.

Yes. Absolutely.

As well as for shooting up road signs and Golani cows.

For the same reasons.

[GB_FXST]

Originally Posted by milluim

I Have a relative in Arizona who used to train navy seals I wish I lived there he has some serious firepower at his disposal in his ranch

Yeah; Arizona is a very gun-friendly state. No waiting period; no registration; lots of ranges.

[milluim]

just realised youre in Arizona you didnt marry an Irish girl by any chance !!!

[GB_FXST]

Originally Posted by milluim

just realised youre in Arizona you didnt marry an Irish girl by any chance !!!

No. I was born and raised in Chicago, so I knew some Irish lasses. My best friend, now for 25+ years, is Irish (Catholic). We have a bit of an inside joke that he is more Jewish than I …

[LoneRider]

As well as for shooting up road signs and Golani cows.

"Golani cows"? Is that cows of the bovine variety or some inter-IDF unit joke directed at the Golani Infantry Brigade (which my studies of find them comparable to the US Army 10th Mountain Division in terms of light infantry units). I even have the tzahal.org t-shirt with Golani Warrior on it.

No. I was born and raised in Chicago, so I knew some Irish lasses. My best friend, now for 25+ years, is Irish (Catholic). We have a bit of an inside joke that he is more Jewish than I …

What a coincidence. I'm Filipino (and Catholic like 95% of my race) myself and my cousins joke about my frugality and my obvious pro-Israeli stance and jokes I might as well be considered Jewish.

Florida's got fairly lax gun laws too, Dad has an AK-47 at home too. It's a Yugoslav copy M70 with a Dragunov style stock, so its ergonomics are better than a standard AK.

On another note: I got asked on post one day by another soldier where do I stand on the AK versus M-16 debate? Right in the middle as I recognize both the merits of both weapons. The AK is reliable with that never say die Russian toughness. The M-16 is accurate and versatile.

And just back to the original topic, what did you guys think of the Weaponology documentary on the Israeli Special Forces? I personally found it informative as a general overview. I basically got reaffirmation on stuff I read about on Isayeret.com when it was a free site.

I remember most AKs were war trophies from Israel's many wars. It sounds like the IDF policy is a lot less restrictive on using captured AKs than the US military policy of late. I figure events from the '03 OIF had something to do with it: (Remember in the book Generation Kill when Captain America shot up vehicles with a captured East German AK? I was wondering why the hell his superiors or his NCOs didn't stomp his guts out for doing something so blatantly idiotic (could result in a friendly fire incident, as AK is an enemy weapon)).

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by LoneRider

Florida's got fairly lax gun laws too, Dad has an AK-47 at home too. It's a Yugoslav copy M70 with a Dragunov style stock, so its ergonomics are better than a standard AK.

Nice. I want an M70AB2 myself. They are the most well made AK variant I have found in terms of reliablity and durability.

I would also like to have a legal Galil ARM in 7.62x51 NATO. But unfortunately they don't even import a parts kit for it.

If some one were to do it from Israel the best idea is to get someone to make the barrel and reciever to specs in the US (government issues again, BATFE is legislating from the executive branch which is illegal because of the Bill of Rights in the Constitution), and import the rest except the receiver and barrel into the US. Granted it won't work in the state nicknamed the Peoples Republic of California due to stricter laws but for most of the states it will work and the BATFE can't say crap because you're playing by their rules.

Right now a guy can make a lot of money machining to specs AK barrels inside the US for parts kits. BATFE is not allowing the imported barrels into the states. Again, legislation from the executive branch which is illegal.

[IDF50]

i was in idf 83-85.no contest galil everyday.yes heavier but that was its only downside.plusses.more accurate,less jams,easier to strip,wire cutters ,bottle opener and hashpipe.no one wanted to carry m203,plastic rubbish that always jammed.officers had choice of short galil or short m16.most went for the galil.folding stock a big plus on route marches and jumps.
my weapon was the best though m14 salaph rifle.long range ,accurate ,knockdown power and i got a short galil to take home.bit of a bugger house to house though!

[rafi]

Originally Posted by IDF50

i was in idf 83-85.no contest galil everyday.yes heavier but that was its only downside.plusses.more accurate,less jams,easier to strip,wire cutters ,bottle opener and hashpipe.no one wanted to carry m203,plastic rubbish that always jammed.officers had choice of short galil or short m16.most went for the galil.folding stock a big plus on route marches and jumps.
my weapon was the best though m14 salaph rifle.long range ,accurate ,knockdown power and i got a short galil to take home.bit of a bugger house to house though!

Welcome to the board. Please drop us a note in the introduction section about yourself.

The fate of the Galil in the IDF has not been pretty. Not sure the last time you were back, but htey are few and far between. And pretty beat up when you find them. The renouned feet anf wire cutters are marveled at by todays kids.

[GB_FXST]

Originally Posted by IDF50

i was in idf 83-85.no contest galil everyday.yes heavier but that was its only downside.plusses.more accurate,less jams,easier to strip,wire cutters ,bottle opener and hashpipe.no one wanted to carry m203,plastic rubbish that always jammed.officers had choice of short galil or short m16.most went for the galil.folding stock a big plus on route marches and jumps.
my weapon was the best though m14 salaph rifle.long range ,accurate ,knockdown power and i got a short galil to take home.bit of a bugger house to house though!

Ah yes, another Nahal / Gdud 50 veteran! Welcome!

[IDF50]

that obvious?

[GB_FXST]

Originally Posted by IDF50

that obvious?

Your user name … As far as I know, the only unit in the IDF named 50 is Gdud 50 … and something tells me that you are not a “ben-meshek” …

BTW, I was in Gdud 50 in 1987. Two Londoners and one guy from Manchester where with me … Good guys all!

[IDF50]

im coming your way in a few weeks
im visiting a buddy in showlow whitemountain area

[GB_FXST]

Originally Posted by IDF50

im coming your way in a few weeks
im visiting a buddy in showlow whitemountain area

The White Mountains are pretty. My wife’s family has some property there.

Drop me a PM if you make it to Phoenix.

[LoneRider]

Nahal, that's like a foreign volunteers unit, right?