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Daylight: The Story of Obama and Israel


Exposing Obama the Lier-In-Chief and his actions in regard to Israel.


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Its a must see to remind us of the backstabbing Obama has done countless times against Israel! He is a Lier-In-Chief and Voters need to to get him out of the oval office in 2012!
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Its a must see to remind us of the backstabbing Obama has done countless times against Israel! He is a Lier-In-Chief and Voters need to to get him out of the oval office in 2012!

The sad part is that too many American Jews don't see it. if the Republican can get 45% of the Jewish vote that would be a major accomplishment. I hoping 50% but thats stretching it a bit.
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The sad part is that too many American Jews don't see it. if the Republican can get 45% of the Jewish vote that would be a major accomplishment. I hoping 50% but thats stretching it a bit.

Yes sadly that might be true. I hope all the clapping at Obama's speech at AIPAC was only out of courtesy. However I think many eyes have been opened with Obama's true intentions. Just like when Secretary of State James Baker during George Bush Fathers tenure has "insulted" Jews, the Jewish republicans taught him a lesson by voting for Clinton. Not that they wanted Clinton that much, but anyone but Bush sr. Not to mention Bush sr was so anti Israel, he never visited Israel stating as long as Israel builds settlements in "palestinian" areas he will boycott any visits to Israel.

So lets just pray the America Jews vote properly for the sake of Israel! The electorate is made up of people from all walks of life and alot of people are mad at Obama, problem is many plan to vote for Ron Paul, and that will split the vote, making Obama the winner once again!
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Bush senior only carried on what he was taught as a child. The Bush family was tied to Nazi Germany. Enough said!
BO is something else. I do not understand how people do not see his hate for what it is. He is a liar, a racist and a pretends to be everything he is not!
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Bush senior only carried on what he was taught as a child. The Bush family was tied to Nazi Germany. Enough said!
BO is something else. I do not understand how people do not see his hate for what it is. He is a liar, a racist and a pretends to be everything he is not!
Agreed on most points there!

if you wanna know Barack Obama was brought up in a very anti semite Islamic country called Indonesia, and then further educated by a socialist father and communist mother. Nuff said....
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Yes sadly that might be true. I hope all the clapping at Obama's speech at AIPAC was only out of courtesy. However I think many eyes have been opened with Obama's true intentions. Just like when Secretary of State James Baker during George Bush Fathers tenure has "insulted" Jews, the Jewish republicans taught him a lesson by voting for Clinton. Not that they wanted Clinton that much, but anyone but Bush sr. Not to mention Bush sr was so anti Israel, he never visited Israel stating as long as Israel builds settlements in "palestinian" areas he will boycott any visits to Israel.

So lets just pray the America Jews vote properly for the sake of Israel! The electorate is made up of people from all walks of life and alot of people are mad at Obama, problem is many plan to vote for Ron Paul, and that will split the vote, making Obama the winner once again!
Ron Paul is not going to run as a third party, it’s not going to happen his son is a Republican Senator and American Jews voted for Jimmy Cater second term 60% so that tells you where they stand. Most are liberal Democrats before they are Jews. 40% is the most any Republican has ever received from American Jews and Ron Paul isn't a conservative Republican, his foreign policies are liberal. Republicans are pro-Israel always have been
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Bush senior only carried on what he was taught as a child. The Bush family was tied to Nazi Germany. Enough said!
BO is something else. I do not understand how people do not see his hate for what it is. He is a liar, a racist and a pretends to be everything he is not!
Bunch of bullÖ Bush fought the Nazis in WWII. That kind of stuff is in the same league as the 911 conspiracy loons
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Ron Paul is not going to run as a third party, it’s not going to happen his son is a Republican Senator and American Jews voted for Jimmy Cater second term 60% so that tells you where they stand. Most are liberal Democrats before they are Jews. 40% is the most any Republican has ever received from American Jews and Ron Paul isn't a conservative Republican, his foreign policies are liberal. Republicans are pro-Israel always have been
We will see about Ron Paul. I didnt mean to say Jews will vote for him, but many others. His foreign policy is mixed liberal and non interventionist. He isnt wrong on wanting to stop wasting lives and money on wrong nations, but he is wrong to think America should ignore all threats, especially his two faced talk about Israel, where he literally admits Hamas is better than Israel and calls Israel Immoral.

Infact he resigned from the GOP during Reagans presidency to protest Reagan economic policies, he favored Jimmy Carters economic policies.....says alot about the man.

While a victory of his would not make America more pro Israel, in a way if he takes America out of the UN, then Israel can just do what it has to and take back Israel with America and the UN telling them not to.

Thats the thing Ron Paul has some and dangerous liberal tendencies and yet we see he has some strong constitutional values, if ONLY the other candidates also tried a little to respect the constitution more Ron Paul would lose. Ron Paul may or may not become a third party, he sure has threatened to do so! I know alot of Military folks voting for him, not sure why they are.

Yes I am aware alot of American Jews are liberals and democrats and that is something really upsetting. Infact it is what scared America and Britain after WWII why they were skeptical at times about allowing a state of Israel, so many Jews were communist and socialist they were afraid a Jewish state would actually become a Socialist state, and the Russians were actively trying to destroy the free world those days!

History tells alot about the human condition and why things happen, until we learn from it we will never free ourselves. Most importantly honestly realizing that to protest freedom we need to place freedom loving people in power, aswell as responsible people. Ron Paul and Obama ARE NEITHER!

Personally I am in favor of either Newt Gingrich or Mitt Romney, both can be idiots, Mitt is more of a semi conservative, but still both far more conservative than any democrat! They have experience. Rick Santorum like Ron Paul has some awesome conservative values, but lacks experience, and is too much concerned with being a puritan, he would gladly impose "Christian sharia" on everyone thus he goes in the category of "extremist" for me and after blaming the arabs for voting islamist, lets not support a man who wishes to force his religious ideas on people.
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Bunch of bullÖ Bush fought the Nazis in WWII. That kind of stuff is in the same league as the 911 conspiracy loons
Very true, Bush sr was no Nazi, he fought the nazis in WWII.

His father Prescott Bush was the one at one point Ive read was involved in funding nazi germany's political money machine. so "perhaps" that didnt help in George Bush sr way of looking at Jews during his presidency. His son George W Bush was far more open minded and decided to visit Israel even before he became President to show Israel he will be with them. By far he was a very Pro Israel leader. Even if he like all US Presidents also pressure Israel to give up settlements in East Jerusalem.

However John F Kennedys own father was a US Ambassador to the UK and had said he would support Hitler and was against his sons fighting in WWII, but his sons were not only enraged at their father, they went ahead and fought in WWII. So let not the fathers ideas, become the the sins of their children!

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Some interesting links: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004...secondworldwar

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We will see about Ron Paul. I didnt mean to say Jews will vote for him, but many others. His foreign policy is mixed liberal and non interventionist. He isnt wrong on wanting to stop wasting lives and money on wrong nations, but he is wrong to think America should ignore all threats, especially his two faced talk about Israel, where he literally admits Hamas is better than Israel and calls Israel Immoral.

Infact he resigned from the GOP during Reagans presidency to protest Reagan economic policies, he favored Jimmy Carters economic policies.....says alot about the man.

While a victory of his would not make America more pro Israel, in a way if he takes America out of the UN, then Israel can just do what it has to and take back Israel with America and the UN telling them not to.

Thats the thing Ron Paul has some and dangerous liberal tendencies and yet we see he has some strong constitutional values, if ONLY the other candidates also tried a little to respect the constitution more Ron Paul would lose. Ron Paul may or may not become a third party, he sure has threatened to do so! I know alot of Military folks voting for him, not sure why they are.

Yes I am aware alot of American Jews are liberals and democrats and that is something really upsetting. Infact it is what scared America and Britain after WWII why they were skeptical at times about allowing a state of Israel, so many Jews were communist and socialist they were afraid a Jewish state would actually become a Socialist state, and the Russians were actively trying to destroy the free world those days!

History tells alot about the human condition and why things happen, until we learn from it we will never free ourselves. Most importantly honestly realizing that to protest freedom we need to place freedom loving people in power, aswell as responsible people. Ron Paul and Obama ARE NEITHER!

Personally I am in favor of either Newt Gingrich or Mitt Romney, both can be idiots, Mitt is more of a semi conservative, but still both far more conservative than any democrat! They have experience. Rick Santorum like Ron Paul has some awesome conservative values, but lacks experience, and is too much concerned with being a puritan, he would gladly impose "Christian sharia" on everyone thus he goes in the category of "extremist" for me and after blaming the arabs for voting islamist, lets not support a man who wishes to force his religious ideas on people.

Most of your comments are fine, but to Say Santorum wants to imposed "Christian Sharia" is more crazy talk, it's the same trumped up argument Jews in this country use against all Republicans all the time. I'm not sure what country you are in, but Christian and Jewish moral values are the same, as this is where the Christians got them, from the Torah (old testament) so Santorumís Is for some type morality not state imposed, it can't happen, but for government to get out of the business of supporting gay marriage abortion and such. I actually I like Newt but it doesnít look like he's going to win, I'll go with Romney because he has a better chance of beating Obama in my opinion


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Very true, Bush sr was no Nazi, he fought the nazis in WWII.

His father Prescott Bush was the one at one point Ive read was involved in funding nazi germany's political money machine. so "perhaps" that didnt help in George Bush sr way of looking at Jews during his presidency. His son George W Bush was far more open minded and decided to visit Israel even before he became President to show Israel he will be with them. By far he was a very Pro Israel leader. Even if he like all US Presidents also pressure Israel to give up settlements in East Jerusalem.

However John F Kennedys own father was a US Ambassador to the UK and had said he would support Hitler and was against his sons fighting in WWII, but his sons were not only enraged at their father, they went ahead and fought in WWII. So let not the fathers ideas, become the the sins of their children!

A son isnt always a clone of their fathers, some things will resemble but not all.

Some interesting links: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004...secondworldwar

http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq10-3.htm

http://www.rense.com/general47/hero.htm
Well those Bush hater link don't really do much for me because thatís all they are those same people would excuse or won't even look into Obama's past but there were plenty Prescott Bush was an investment Banker his company had interest in a lot of businesses but to say he supported the Nazi is more liberal bull
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Well those Bush hater link don't really do much for me because thatís all they are those same people would excuse or won't even look into Obama's past but there were plenty Prescott Bush was an investment Banker his company had interest in a lot of businesses but to say he supported the Nazi is more liberal bull
Regardless if the story is true about Prescott Bush, IF it is then yes whether we like it or not, then Prescott father would have been wrong.

Now regardless George Herbert Walker Bush whether you like it or not was more pro Arab than pro Israel. If Israeli leaders were not strong Jerusalem would be the capital of a Palestinian state thanks to Bush father.
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Most of your comments are fine, but to Say Santorum wants to imposed "Christian Sharia" is more crazy talk, it's the same trumped up argument Jews in this country use against all Republicans all the time. I'm not sure what country you are in, but Christian and Jewish moral values are the same, as this is where the Christians got them, from the Torah (old testament) so Santorum’s Is for some type morality not state imposed, it can't happen, but for government to get out of the business of supporting gay marriage abortion and such. I actually I like Newt but it doesn’t look like he's going to win, I'll go with Romney because he has a better chance of beating Obama in my opinion


Many Christians love Israel, just as some hate Israel. Santorum is pro Israel, I love him for that.

Jewish values and Christian values are similar and both awesome. I am for both. I am a strong believer in God and I defend the right for people to practice their faith, aswell as the right to refuse to pay for things like abortions via taxes if it is against their beliefs. Let the private sector pay for murder. However their is a limit to how much the government has a right to enter our bedrooms also! Thats the whole point of not wanting to be forced to pay for something, it goes the same way for not wanting to be forced by fundamentalist Church goers to tell us what we can or cannot do. Like the West Boro babptist scum.

I said Santorum is going too far when he tells people things like excuse my english, when he wants to ban blowjobs and the like. Politicians who cant stay out of the bedrooms are like the liberals who stay out of our lives. Now IF ONLY politicians would GET IT in their tiny little heads we need LESS government DICTATING to us what we can or cannot do, America would be a better place. I will NOT support someone who wishes to play morality police!

Some religious values are outdated, and frankly do not need to be imposed on anyone, when Americas Constitution clearly states separation of church and state! Killing gays isnt just an islamic law it is a biblical one, any one who tries to be an apologist and say it isnt being truthful. Its simple Santorum believe in what you will, I will defend your right, but do not impose it on others, that is no different from the islamists and liberal socialists!

I was if you knew me an great supporter of Santorum, but when I saw his deviations I figured Id rather not have him.

Yes Romney is more likely to beat Obama, but Newt is the more conservative type of leader America could use.

It isnt just about who votes Republican, this is about who is pro Israel, and who is not. George Bush Sr did do some great things for Israel, but Republican or democrat they have both betrayed Israel at times. George Bush Sr made it public and clear that he thinks the 1967 borders would need to be returned to the arabs. And he wondered why eve staunch Republican Jews didnt like him?
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Regardless if the story is true about Prescott Bush, IF it is then yes whether we like it or not, then Prescott father would have been wrong.

Now regardless George Herbert Walker Bush whether you like it or not was more pro Arab than pro Israel. If Israeli leaders were not strong Jerusalem would be the capital of a Palestinian state thanks to Bush father.
Well I don't see it, I'm no fan of Bush Sr. but to say he was more pro Arab what do you base that on? More pro Arab than who? Bill Clinton? Carter? Obama?
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Well I don't see it, I'm no fan of Bush Sr. but to say he was more pro Arab what do you base that on? More pro Arab than who? Bill Clinton? Carter? Obama?
That is perhaps just you being pro Republican no matter what. I am pro Israel and Bush Sr was if anything the same when it comes to Israel just like Carter today, Clinton and Obama.

Not more pro arab than such and such....more pro arab, than pro Israel, pro truth, pro Jewish rights to Jerusalem!

The fact is he stopped giving loans to Israel for construction of settlements in the pre 1967 borders, now in Israels control, including east Jerusalem where Solomons temple mount is at. George H W Bush administration saw to it that they would not listen to AIPAC who tried to lobby for it. Furthermore George Bush 41 never once visited Israel during his presidency reason given until Israel stops building settlements in the "palestinian areas" Obama may have boycotted going to Israel for a long time, while goijng to arab countries right off his term, but Bush 41 didnt even want to step on Israeli soil! Ask yourself why?

The Bush 41 administration saw to it they support the LEFTIST labour party against the Likud party in Israel. When Yitzak Rabin (who made peace with arafat) became the winner in Israel. Bush 41 sent a new loan package to Israel. The condition was land for peace talks with the palestinian leaders, back then Arafat. Reason why when Bill Clinton hosted Arafat and Rabin at the white house in 2003. Bush and Baker were there also, and it was said they infact had been the architects who began this peace deal before Bill Clinton. Clinton was ofcourse glad to get the fame, and later on with other Labour party leaders in Israel, tried to get Jerusalem divded, but to their sorry self disappointment arafat refused, wanting more than just Jerusalem.

While I say his son was better, his son George W Bush also asked his ambassador in Israel to boycott "Jerusalem day" where Israelis celebrate the taking back from the Jordan army Judea and Samaria. The E.U. also boycotted but atleast they were clear they were for an eventual spilt in Jerusalem east to go for the palestinians, and the west to go to Israel. Bush by joining the boycott made it very clear in his intentions about Jerusalem.

Just like Obama he promised not to touch Jerusalem as Israels capital, even promised to move the American Embassy there. Did he? Nope, he instead called for Israel to halt settlements in East Jerusalem and boycotted that date. Just like Obama promised not to divide Jerusalem but then asked Israel to go back to pre 1967 borders, meaning Jerusalem.

Bush 41 was perhaps not an enemy as such of Israel, but he certainly was no friend. He favored the arabs again and again when it came to dividing Israel.
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That is perhaps just you being pro Republican no matter what. I am pro Israel and Bush Sr was if anything the same when it comes to Israel just like Carter today, Clinton and Obama.

Not more pro arab than such and such....more pro arab, than pro Israel, pro truth, pro Jewish rights to Jerusalem!

The fact is he stopped giving loans to Israel for construction of settlements in the pre 1967 borders, now in Israels control, including east Jerusalem where Solomons temple mount is at. George H W Bush administration saw to it that they would not listen to AIPAC who tried to lobby for it. Furthermore George Bush 41 never once visited Israel during his presidency reason given until Israel stops building settlements in the "palestinian areas" Obama may have boycotted going to Israel for a long time, while goijng to arab countries right off his term, but Bush 41 didnt even want to step on Israeli soil! Ask yourself why?

The Bush 41 administration saw to it they support the LEFTIST labour party against the Likud party in Israel. When Yitzak Rabin (who made peace with arafat) became the winner in Israel. Bush 41 sent a new loan package to Israel. The condition was land for peace talks with the palestinian leaders, back then Arafat. Reason why when Bill Clinton hosted Arafat and Rabin at the white house in 2003. Bush and Baker were there also, and it was said they infact had been the architects who began this peace deal before Bill Clinton. Clinton was ofcourse glad to get the fame, and later on with other Labour party leaders in Israel, tried to get Jerusalem divded, but to their sorry self disappointment arafat refused, wanting more than just Jerusalem.

While I say his son was better, his son George W Bush also asked his ambassador in Israel to boycott "Jerusalem day" where Israelis celebrate the taking back from the Jordan army Judea and Samaria. The E.U. also boycotted but atleast they were clear they were for an eventual spilt in Jerusalem east to go for the palestinians, and the west to go to Israel. Bush by joining the boycott made it very clear in his intentions about Jerusalem.

Just like Obama he promised not to touch Jerusalem as Israels capital, even promised to move the American Embassy there. Did he? Nope, he instead called for Israel to halt settlements in East Jerusalem and boycotted that date. Just like Obama promised not to divide Jerusalem but then asked Israel to go back to pre 1967 borders, meaning Jerusalem.

Bush 41 was perhaps not an enemy as such of Israel, but he certainly was no friend. He favored the arabs again and again when it came to dividing Israel.

Well.... I'll make a general statement here, Republicans have always been more pro-Israel than liberal Democrats thatís a fact, also the simple fact that they are for a strong U.S. military makes them more pro-Israel. Liberal attempts at cutting and downsizing the U.S military will certainly not help Israel. So yes I'm pro Republican because they are for a strong America. Israel has their own problems with the left Ehud Barak was prepared to divide Israel himself. Bush Sr. destroyed Saddam's army and that was a good thing, Like I said I'm no fan of Bush Sr. but he's was better than any recent Democrat
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Well.... I'll make a general statement here, Republicans have always been more pro-Israel than liberal Democrats that’s a fact, also the simple fact that they are for a strong U.S. military makes them more pro-Israel. Liberal attempts at cutting and downsizing the U.S military will certainly not help Israel. So yes I'm pro Republican because they are for a strong America. Israel has their own problems with the left Ehud Barak was prepared to divide Israel himself. Bush Sr. destroyed Saddam's army and that was a good thing, Like I said I'm no fan of Bush Sr. but he's was better than any recent Democrat
Bush sr DIDNT DESTROY Saddams army, the US Military (and allies) did that, Obama didnt kill Osama Bin Laden, the US NAVY SEALS did that.

I was also a supporter of George H W Bush sr. I didnt like Bill Clinton even for his first election. I was very proud of US Troops during the gulf war. Very proud of Israel for standing by America, even though America told them not to retaliate, so this didnt become a Israelo-Arab war, not to upset the Saudis etc. Yes recent Republicans are better than democrats. Ive said that more times on this forum than you have, and I stand by it. Doesnt change the fact that thanks to this very same George Bush Sr Israel has lost more human lives, more land and maybe all of Israel someday. Yes the very same Republicans we all defend had alot to do with that, aswell as Democrats. When it comes to dividing Israel, they have both been united against Israel. Nothing you can say will change that. This is an Israeli Military Forum, NOT a Republican forum, so I will make no excuses for those who have made life for the IDF harder thanks to pressure they IMPOSE on Israel, and Israel tries to accommodate as much as possible.

Leftist LABOUR Yitzak Rabin was elected, & America's strong support of him, GEORGE BUSH SR, Ehud Barak also leftist LABOUR elected, Bill Clinton supported him.

Tell me why do I see similarities in thinking when IT COMES TO ISRAEL, I"m not talking about other issues. Just like Ron Paul is awesome on some things, BUT NOT ON ISRAEL.

Read from the muslims themselves their FONDNESS for George Bush Sr, why do you think they are so fond of him?

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http://ramallahonline.com/tag/president-bush-sr/

"Kourosh Ziabari: The Stance of President Bush Sr. on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict had convinced many international observers that the pro-Israeli era of Ronald Reagan was over. On May 22, 1989, Secretary of State James Baker had told an AIPAC audience that Israel should abandon its expansionist policies. On his part, George H. Bush had indicated that he was under the pressure of Zionist lobby by saying to reporters on the sidelines of an AIPAC summit that “I’m one lonely little guy” up against “some powerful political forces” made up of “a thousand lobbyists on the Hill.” He was forced to apologize consequently; however, he was opposed to grant a $10 billion loan guarantee to Israel as long as Israel continued building homes on the Palestinian lands. What’s your viewpoint regarding Bush’s Israel policy? Why did his son adopt a totally opposing stance on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict compared with that of his father?"

"Naseer Aruri: True, there is a vast difference between the policies of the two Bushes. Bush senior had a major conflict with Israel and its Zionist lobby in Washington. He and his Secretary of State James Baker challenged Israel’s settlement building in occupied territory, particularly Jerusalem and its environs. Israel and its minions in the U.S. such as former Senator George Mitchell objected to the assumption that Jerusalem is “occupied” territory. Perhaps Bush, Sr’s Iraq policy illustrates the major differences between the father and son. If one looks at the Israeli press during the summer of 1990 when U.S. forces were in Saudi Arabia while Saddam Hussein’s army was occupying Kuwait, one finds an important reality: Bush was in effect telling Israel that, we the U.S., as the sole super power, are in charge of security in the [Persian] Gulf region and in the whole Middle East.. Consequently, Israel has nothing to worry about and it must come to terms on the Palestine question knowing that Washington is in charge of security. That was probably the closest that the U.S. had ever come to the concept of an imposed settlement in which Israel must abide by Washington’s will based on its national interest as a super power.

But the plan did not come into fruition particularly when Bush was defeated in the presidential elections by Bill Clinton, who derailed Bush’s diplomatic train and diverted it to Oslo instead, hence the end of Bush, Sr’s designs.
When Bush the son came to the White House, the neo-conservatives had managed to secure a position of power and station themselves strategically around the New President who had to shoulder the whole issue of “terrorism” after September 11. These developments hastened the penetration of Bush’s policies by neo-conservatives, hence the difference between the two Bushes."



From more friends Bush, this time non arab LEFTIST AMERICAN JEWS, who LOVE Carter, Bush Sr and Baker, defending their stance on Israel and Pro palestine policies:

http://www.jewishchronicle.org/artic...rticle_id=5826

Carter, Baker, Bush Sr. are proven friends of Israel
By Larry Derfner

December 8th, 2006

Former President Jimmy Carter, former Secretary of State James Baker and former President George H. W. Bush are in the news.

Carter has a new book, “Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid.” (See Nov. 24 Chronicle.) Baker is crafting a new Middle East policy for America. Papa Bush’s “realist” foreign policy is being vindicated by his son’s misadventures, and his men are moving back into power in Washington.

Naturally, Israelis are filled with dread. As far as they’re concerned, the title of Carter’s book tells you everything you need to know about how he feels toward Israel.

As for Baker, didn’t he say “F— the Jews” or something like that? And Bush the First refused Israel those loan guarantees, which shows how much of a friend he is.

Israelis don’t like American leaders trying to tell them what to do, and they especially don’t like American leaders protesting the way they treat Palestinians.

So Carter is widely viewed in Israel as an anti-Semite, while Baker and H. W. are thought of as “Arabists,” which is a euphemism for anti-Semites.

In my view, this is redneck thinking, Israeli Archie Bunkerism.

Not only don’t I see Carter, Baker and Bush Sr. as anti-Semites, I appreciate them all as proven friends of Israel. They just dared to be friends of the Palestinians, too; and this Israelis won’t accept.

To many Israelis, it’s not enough to be pro-Israel. You have to be both pro-Israel and anti-Arab, like Bush the Second, to be our friend.

Helping us try to make peace with our enemies — as former President Bill Clinton did — doesn’t get you anywhere with us. Helping us make war against our enemies, that’s the litmus test of friendship around here.

Hating the messenger

Carter brokered and enabled Israel’s peace treaty with Egypt. It wouldn’t have happened if he hadn’t dragged Sadat and Begin into signing it.

That peace treaty has kept the Middle East from blowing up any number of times. It’s one of the most valuable political assets Israel has.

And the majority of Israelis couldn’t care less. The Egyptians hate us, and Carter hates us, all he cares about is the Palestinians — that’s the mainstream Israeli view.

Here is a quote from Carter’s interview with The Forward printed a few weeks ago: “I’ve been teaching the Bible and my belief is that God ordained that the Jews should have a homeland there, and I think that international law beginning in 1948 says the same exact thing, and that’s what I believe.”

Is this an anti-Semite, an Israel-hater? No. But that’s what most Israelis think as soon as they see the word “apartheid” associated with the word “Palestine.” For many, use of “Palestine” by itself is proof of anti-Semitism.

But while there are important differences between the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and the former apartheid regime of South Africa, after 39 years of occupation the similarities have come to outweigh the differences.

The Palestinian majority in the West Bank lives under the harsh, frequently brutal rule of the Israeli army, while Jewish settlers are the lords of the land.

If comparing the occupation to apartheid makes one an anti-Semite, then Carter has Israeli company — for example, in Labor MK and former Navy and Shin Bet chief Ami Ayalon, and in Yediot Aharonot columnist Nahum Barnea, the country’s number one print journalist.

As for Bush Sr., what Israelis remember most about him is that he refused us $10 billion in loan guarantees because some of that money would have been used by then-Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir to build settlements. The consensus view is that Bush was meddling in Israel’s affairs.

Somehow Israelis think America is required to finance our settlements, even if these settlements are the bane of the Palestinians’ existence, because America is required to obey Israel’s policy toward the Palestinians.

So Bush Sr. is branded as anti-Israel. It doesn’t matter that most Israelis have become fed up with the settlements and wish they could wash their hands of them.

Even the elder Bush’s extraordinary conduct of the first Persian Gulf War, which stopped Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein and thereby did a tremendous service to Israel, fails to win him any points in Israel. He didn’t finish the job, we say, he didn’t get rid of Saddam once and for all as he should have.

We prefer his son’s way, which turned into a disaster whose end can’t even be imagined. If H. W. knew the limits of force and W. doesn’t, that’s one more reason why Israelis love W. and dislike his dad.

Knowing when to talk

Regarding Baker, his close partnership with Bush in getting the world’s support, including Arab support, for the first Persian Gulf War means less than nothing to people in this country.

What Israelis remember is that he sat in Congress and had the shameless, Arabist, anti-Semitic gall to read out the State Department’s telephone number and suggest that the Shamir government call if and when that government ever got “serious about peace.”

And if anybody here still had any doubts about Baker, they didn’t after he said “F— the Jews!”

Here is why I’m glad Baker is the man drawing up a new U.S. policy in the Middle East, and why I think that if anybody is going to bring peace to Israel, it’s him.

When Baker said the Shamir government wasn’t serious about peace, he was 100 percent right, as most people who aren’t members of the Judea-Samaria-Gaza Settlers Fan Club now realize. But again, Israelis don’t have the courage to hear this message, so they take it out on the messenger.

As for saying “F— the Jews!” — he never said it. People who don’t know the story imagine Baker must been sitting in the Saudi Arabian capital Riyadh with his oil sheikh friends, and the heady atmosphere got to him and he lost his inhibitions, stood up and shouted, “F— the Jews!”

What really happened was that Ed Koch, the former New York mayor, wrote a newspaper column in which he quoted an anonymous source who said he was present at a meeting in which Baker proposed some policy regarding Israel.

Someone at the meeting suggested that the policy wouldn’t go down well with the American Jewish community. To which Baker said, “F— em. They don’t vote for us anyway.”

The State Department said the whole story, including the quote, was “garbage.” Koch, for his part, has never named his source.

Doesn’t this all sound a little less sinister than the “F— the Jews!” story about Baker that has since lodged in so many pro-Israel minds? Even if Baker really did say, “F— em. They don’t vote for us anyway,” would that make him an anti-Semite? To my mind, it would only make him a politician.

What’s important about Baker, as far as Israelis should be concerned, is that he got European and Arab countries, including Syria, to join the coalition against Saddam in the first Persian Gulf War.

What’s important is that he got Israel together with the Palestinians, Syrians and Jordanians at the Madrid peace talks, even if those talks didn’t go anywhere until the Yitzhak Rabin-Shimon Peres government, on its own, began talking with the Palestine Liberation Organization, for which Baker deserves neither credit nor blame.

What’s important is that Baker has a keen sense of when to shoot and when to talk, and he understands that now is a time to talk — something the Ehud Olmert government and most Israelis don’t understand and don’t want to hear about.

Israelis don’t like it when American leaders tell them what to do, or criticize the way they treat others. That is why they’re so antagonistic toward Carter, Bush Sr. and Baker.
But if not for them, Israel would still be at war with Egypt and there’s no telling how powerful Saddam would have become.

Larry Derfner writes about Israeli society for U.S. Jewish newspapers and the Jerusalem Post.
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All the facts Ive written about George Bush sr, unless you can refute that he didnt boycott Israel, than I think you will understand why IN ISRAEL George Bush Sr isnt popular. In fact LEFTIST SELF HATING American Jews would have voted for him of Baker didnt say the F you Jews statement, something even self hating Jews cannot stand.

But again, while Georgy Bushy SR is not popular in Israel, he VERY popular in Arab countries like Kuwait for helping them continue their middle ages lifestyle. Yes he fought a tyrant Saddam, but only to liberate Kuwait, he should have finished off Saddam if he really believed Saddam was that evil. Plus all those facts Ive put forward about his boycotting of Israel in different forms.

Here from the Palestinian terrorists websites themselves, they praise BUSH SR 41:

http://www.intifada-palestine.com/20...peace-partner/

A Syrian Peace Partner


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By Sami Moubayed

Back in December 1990, then US secretary of state James Baker famously said, “It is in a situation such as we have in the Gulf that we cooperate with a major Arab country who happens to share the same goals as we do.” Back then, Baker was referring to Syria.

These words were the first signs of a concrete rapprochement between Damascus and Washington, after a gridlock in relations that had lasted, on and off, since 1979.

George Bush Sr came to the White House with a new mentality, much like Barack Obama in 2009.

When the Gulf War broke out in January 1991, Bush made sure that Israel kept out of the conflict in order to prevent alienating Syria from Operation Desert Storm, and forced Israel to practice self-restraint when Saddam Hussain showered the Israeli capital with Scud missiles.

Annoyed by a remark made by Israeli finance minister Yitzhak Modai, who claimed that Washington would have to pay Israel $2 billion (Dh7.3 billion) in compensation for the Scud attacks, Bush refused to channel a $400 million housing development loan to Israel, promised earlier to Israeli housing minister Ariel Sharon.

This is the kind of pressure Syria is seeking from the US Administration today, to get Benjamin Netanyahu to commit to peace on the Golan, and to a freeze on colonies.

Currently, nearly 300,000 Israelis live in colonies in the West Bank, and approximately 200,000 are found in East Jerusalem.

So far, all we have heard from Netanyahu is that colonies are part of the “natural growth” of the state of Israel, and that Jerusalem – occupied by Israel in 1967 – will remain “Israel’s capital”.

This week, Obama’s envoy George Mitchell wrapped up meetings in Damascus, where he described his talks with President Bashar Al Assad as “very candid and positive”, adding that he told his Syrian host that Obama is “determined to facilitate a truly comprehensive Arab-Israeli peace”.

Meanwhile, in Israel he tried to downplay very visible differences with Israeli officials by describing disagreements as “discussions among friends”.

He then quickly added, “There isn’t agreement on all points, and on several issues we are trying to reach an understanding.”

It is rather ironic that, coinciding with an American administration that wants to change the status quo in the Middle East, comes a hard-line government in Israel that is interested in nothing but escalation.

Some hardliners in the US are still not convinced that Syria is ready for peace, arguing that it wants a peace process, rather than a peace treaty, with Israel.

They believe that because of the election results in Lebanon, and what happened in Iran since June 12, Syria is in a weaker position today, and therefore, more pressure should be applied to it, to extract concessions on the Hezbollah and Hamas resistance movements.

That is apparently not what Obama thinks, since shortly after the Lebanese elections, not only did he send Mitchell on his first visit to Syria, but also announced that he would be sending an ambassador to Damascus to fill a post that has been vacant since 2005, and quickly withdrew the charge d’affaires, who was a reminder to the Syrians of the Bush era.

Taking the lead from the US is Saudi Arabia, which has engaged positively with the Syrians since January, ending tension that has lasted since 2005.

Earlier this month it announced that it, too, was restoring an ambassador to Damascus, and plans are underway for King Abdullah Bin Abdul Aziz to visit the Syrian capital.

One of the common denominators that can bridge the gap between Syria, Saudi Arabia, and the US is Iraq. All three happen to have common benchmarks in Iraq; counter-terrorism cooperation, border security, reconciliation of all parties, and bringing the Sunnis strongly back into the Iraqi political process.

They also want no militias, no more autonomous districts, and no more religiously driven politicians running Baghdad.

Earlier this month, US Vice-President Joe Biden landed in Baghdad to talk Iraqi leaders into a reconciliation conference, to be held in the US in late 2009.

Reportedly, Obama wants all parties involved in Iraq, including the Syrians, Saudis, Iran – and Iraqi Baathists – to attend the conference.

Prime Minister Nouri Al Maliki was furious at trying to get the Baathists, and Sunni tribesman opposed to his government, onboard the proposed Washington conference, via Syria and Saudi Arabia.

The Americans want both countries to help control hotbeds of the insurgency, like Anbar, and are very pleased at the results of the latest provincial elections, where thanks to Syria and the Saudis, the Sunnis voted in large numbers, even in strongly anti-American towns like Tikrit.

They also believe both countries can help disarm – or at least tame – the 170,000-strong Awakening Councils who were armed to the teeth – then abandoned – by the Bush Administration.

This would be step one towards reconciliation, the Americans believe, hoping that this can be repeated – if Riyadh and Damascus push the right buttons – in the upcoming parliamentary elections of early 2010.

If the Americans had a check-list of priorities, they would give Iraq high priority, while the Syrians are clearly more interested in restoring occupied land to its rightful owners.

Common ground can be found between a regional conference, chaired by Obama, on Iraq, and another conference, this time international – also chaired by Obama – on peace and restoring the Golan to Syria.

The Syrians are capable and willing to help the Americans in Iraq, but want Obama to pull the right strings – a la James Baker in 1991 – to get the Israelis to change course vis-a-vis Middle East peace.

This article appeared in Gulf News on July 27, 2009
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