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Ok…. You don't like Bush Sr. That’s fine.. Some of that I didn't know, and one could argue whether the peace deal with Egypt was good in the long run, but as I said, a weak American military is not good for the U.S. or Israel and that’s what all those liberal Presidents are for. I'll give you my opinion; you give me yours that is how it works. I'm here in the U.S. fighting these liberal Jews who will never vote Republican, including members my own family. They'll list some of the same reasons as you, so excuse me if I'm a little sensitive, although some of your comments such as "Christian Sharia Law" about Rick Santorum is totally off the wall, bordering on delusional. That’s my opinion anyway
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Ok…. You don't like Bush Sr. That’s fine.. Some of that I didn't know, and one could argue whether the peace deal with Egypt was good in the long run, but as I said, a weak American military is not good for the U.S. or Israel and that’s what all those liberal Presidents are for. I'll give you my opinion; you give me yours that is how it works. I'm here in the U.S. fighting these liberal Jews who will never vote Republican, including members my own family. They'll list some of the same reasons as you, so excuse me if I'm a little sensitive, although some of your comments such as "Christian Sharia Law" about Rick Santorum is totally off the wall, bordering on delusional. That’s my opinion anyway
Ive said it clearly, despite GEORGE BUSH SR very own behavior NOT ME MAKING IT UP, I supported him, BECAUSE like you we both know the Democrats are WORSE!
Can I make myself any clearer? I wanted Bush sr RE ELECTED in 1992 despite knowing and being angry at him !!!! Do you understand what I'm saying? He hurt Israel badly, JUST LIKE YOUR liberal Jewish anti Israel friends and family, but by far he was far better on most conservative issues. If it wasnt for the Likud PM Yitzak Shamir, Israel would have given Jerusalem to the arabs ALL THANKS TO GEORGE BUSH SR. Or is it you hate Yitzak Shamir and wanted Jerusalem to be divided is that what you mean? If not, then dont even try to be Bush SR apologist when it comes to his policies TOWARDS Israel. On other issues I and you AGREE Bush Sr was better than any democrat, Dukakis or any crap would have been worse for Israel and America. But Bush Sr wanted SO MUCH TO GIVE JERUSALEM TO THE ARABS PERIOD! HOW IN GODS NAME AM I TO IGNORE THIS FACT!

Bush Sr, as far as other issues IN AMERICA, Gun rights, smaller govt, individual rights was FAR better than any democrat or liberal.

This DOESNT CHANGE the fact when it come to ISRAEL he as NO DIFFERENT than those liberal Jews you speak of! PERIOD!

For Israel Bush SR was the among the ones who tried to divide Israel. What part of that dont you get? Have you not seen how much praise the palestinians give to him, in the same lines as Carter?

Thats all I meant.

Christian "sharia" means IMPOSING BIBLICAL BELIEFS on others. That is WRONG and contrary to the Constitution and that is what Rick Santorum does many times. Just as when the Vatican and others tried to force Jews to become Christians in different times in history. Not because Santorum has some good values here and there, am I going to do like the stupid arabs and vote in people who would dictate to me or others what I should do. IMHO.

It was said to WAKE PEOPLE up, thats why "sharia" was used because until it happens, one law leads to another, until you see yourself uncomfortable being a Jew in America, because of pressure, ONLY THEN AND TOO LATE will you realise how it isnt just muslims that can make your life hell, but anyone who feels "you arent good enough, until you become a Christian".

The sooner people GET IT that we MUST NOT LOSE individual freedoms, the better off they will be, many liberals, socialists, commies dont get it, and now conservatives also.

Take it as you want, I'm done here. Lets agree to disagree, but I wont forget the mistakes of the past, and trusting ANY OVER RELIGIOUS PERSON, when we see what extreme beliefs be they Christian, or Muslims has done to disseminate the Jewish people!!!!! Not delusional, simply learning from history.

You obviously dont even take one moment to realize my point (and countless links) about how the arabs love Bush SR because of HIS anti Israeli stances!

Please vote Republican whatever you do, let me be clear on that. Democrats are worse. I am for Newt he has been clear in support of Israel, Mitt Romney has shown hints he will also go for "peace talks" with the palestinians, meaning LAND FOR PEACE talks once again......
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Actually Bush senior fought in pacific war, NO Nazis there. He was shot down by Japanese.
There is a book the secret war against the jews. The author articulates with more facts than I can remember the bush family and nazi germany. By the way I did not say Bush senior a nazi, I will let his statements speak for themselves.
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Christian "sharia" means IMPOSING BIBLICAL BELIEFS on others. That is WRONG and contrary to the Constitution and that is what Rick Santorum does many times. Just as when the Vatican and others tried to force Jews to become Christians in different times in history. Not because Santorum has some good values here and there, am I going to do like the stupid arabs and vote in people who would dictate to me or others what I should do. IMHO.

It was said to WAKE PEOPLE up, thats why "sharia" was used because until it happens, one law leads to another, until you see yourself uncomfortable being a Jew in America, because of pressure, ONLY THEN AND TOO LATE will you realise how it isnt just muslims that can make your life hell, but anyone who feels "you arent good enough, until you become a Christian".

The sooner people GET IT that we MUST NOT LOSE individual freedoms, the better off they will be, many liberals, socialists, commies dont get it, and now conservatives also.

Take it as you want, I'm done here. Lets agree to disagree, but I wont forget the mistakes of the past, and trusting ANY OVER RELIGIOUS PERSON, when we see what extreme beliefs be they Christian, or Muslims has done to disseminate the Jewish people!!!!! Not delusional, simply learning from history.


Please vote Republican whatever you do, let me be clear on that. Democrats are worse. I am for Newt he has been clear in support of Israel, Mitt Romney has shown hints he will also go for "peace talks" with the palestinians, meaning LAND FOR PEACE talks once again......



Thatís fine brother. But do you live in the United States? Conservatives want to stick to the Constitution Generally and to say that Santorum would like to institutes some sort of Christian theocracy loses you some credibility in my view. I also noticed that you said Ron Paul is good on everything accept Israel, while you completely ignore that many of his supporters are white supremacist, Neo Nazi Jew haters. Which also is puzzling to me? Iíll check more into the Bush Sr thing.
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Thatís fine brother. But do you live in the United States? Conservatives want to stick to the Constitution Generally and to say that Santorum would like to institutes some sort of Christian theocracy loses you some credibility in my view. I also noticed that you said Ron Paul is good on everything accept Israel, while you completely ignore that many of his supporters are white supremacist, Neo Nazi Jew haters. Which also is puzzling to me? Iíll check more into the Bush Sr thing.
I said Santorum is very good on many conservative issues, but has been over pushing SOME Christian things that in my view are none of his business, and I dont want ANYONE to push any religion down my throat. If that makes me lose credibility than that is not my problem, I am only making sure the mistakes of the past dont happen again, as there are many Christians who guise themselves as for all, until they gain power. Id rather someone with a little more restraint on such things.

I equally said Ron Paul has SOME very good views, (I never said everything else about him is good....my Goodness!) but many DANGEROUS liberal ones, plus HIS ANTI SEMITE ones. Yes some people from Stormfront etc have supported him, with his knowledge and taken pictures together. I see you are trying to credibility because I said something factual about Bush sr, I said Ron Paul was BAD, but I was truthful and said certain SOME views he has on the constitution is even better than the others.

How many of the other candidates are prepared to ignore the UN? The UN is Unconstitutional as the laws signed there become laws in the United States when the US agrees to them THIS IS UNCONSTITIONAL my friend. yet ALL THE OTHERS plan on keeping the US in the UN. Not Ron Paul.

YOU completely IGNORE that part of Jroc, YOU HAVE NOT READ what I have said about Ron Pau ????? That he is anti Israel, therefore not a good candidate, you almost WANT TO MAKE ME SAY something so you can accuse me of being a liberal or something, I can see where you're heading.

You are so upset because some of your family members are anti Israeli jerks, while I am telling you facts about who did what for Israel. And that ON ISRAEL BUSH SR WAS NOT VERY NICE AT ALL! A FACT! But he was very good on many other conservative and constitutional issues. I said I like Santorum alot, I would go around with his picture for Gods Sakes! But when he showed signs that he has too much religion on his mind, I told myself as FAR AS I AM CONCERNED Id rather not support him. If you want to FINE WITH ME. He is a great guy in many ways. I wouldnt cry if he won, I'd bite a bullet for the guy! I try to be fair and who all sides to a person, because no one is black and white, but the MOST important to me is how they treat Jews & Israel. The sooner you understand that, the sooner you will understand my anger.

Only NOW you will check the Bush sr things, after all this time ? Just forget it.
I'm done here. Please stop even reading my posts, because since Ive most credibility with you, then all the facts Ive said about anyone must all be made up and you have closed your mind and heart and dont want to even see any truth, no thanks keep your brotherhood to yourself.

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Actually Bush senior fought in pacific war, NO Nazis there. He was shot down by Japanese.
There is a book the secret war against the jews. The author articulates with more facts than I can remember the bush family and nazi germany. By the way I did not say Bush senior a nazi, I will let his statements speak for themselves.
Fighting the Japanese or Germans, was fighting the same enemy as Hitler and the Japs were both allies in the nazi war. So while I am not fond of George Bush sr he did fight in WWII and if he wasnt sent to Germany it is because of his superiors who didnt assign him there, not anything of his own fault. Soldiers follow orders.
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I said Santorum is very good on many conservative issues, but has been over pushing SOME Christian things that in my view are none of his business, and I dont want ANYONE to push any religion down my throat. If that makes me lose credibility than that is not my problem, I am only making sure the mistakes of the past dont happen again, as there are many Christians who guise themselves as for all, until they gain power. Id rather someone with a little more restraint on such things.

I equally said Ron Paul has SOME very good views, (I never said everything else about him is good....my Goodness!) but many DANGEROUS liberal ones, plus HIS ANTI SEMITE ones. Yes some people from Stormfront etc have supported him, with his knowledge and taken pictures together. I see you are trying to credibility because I said something factual about Bush sr, I said Ron Paul was BAD, but I was truthful and said certain SOME views he has on the constitution is even better than the others.

How many of the other candidates are prepared to ignore the UN? The UN is Unconstitutional as the laws signed there become laws in the United States when the US agrees to them THIS IS UNCONSTITIONAL my friend. yet ALL THE OTHERS plan on keeping the US in the UN. Not Ron Paul.

YOU completely IGNORE that part of Jroc, YOU HAVE NOT READ what I have said about Ron Pau ????? That he is anti Israel, therefore not a good candidate, you almost WANT TO MAKE ME SAY something so you can accuse me of being a liberal or something, I can see where you're heading.

You are so upset because some of your family members are anti Israeli jerks, while I am telling you facts about who did what for Israel. And that ON ISRAEL BUSH SR WAS NOT VERY NICE AT ALL! A FACT! But he was very good on many other conservative and constitutional issues. I said I like Santorum alot, I would go around with his picture for Gods Sakes! But when he showed signs that he has too much religion on his mind, I told myself as FAR AS I AM CONCERNED Id rather not support him. If you want to FINE WITH ME. He is a great guy in many ways. I wouldnt cry if he won, I'd bite a bullet for the guy! I try to be fair and who all sides to a person, because no one is black and white, but the MOST important to me is how they treat Jews & Israel. The sooner you understand that, the sooner you will understand my anger.

Only NOW you will check the Bush sr things, after all this time ? Just forget it.
I'm done here. Please stop even reading my posts, because since Ive most credibility with you, then all the facts Ive said about anyone must all be made up and you have closed your mind and heart and dont want to even see any truth, no thanks keep your brotherhood to yourself.

I live on another Galaxy where only people who want Jerusalem as a Jewish city live.
Well actually Iím just trying to feel you out here, and figure out exactly where youíre coming from. Actually I initially complimented you on this thread, it was you whoís started on this Bush Sr. rant and that democrats and Republicans have all screwed Israel. As far as what I believe on Israel giving back land? I don't think they should give sh...t back, None howís that? I'm asking my Israeli friend what he thought Bush Sr. I'll get another prospective from him and he's no left winger. Don't get offended by this discussion thatís what Jews do, it's healthy and makes this place a little more interesting if you ask me.
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There is this story told to me by an Isreali who was born in Shanghai. When the Japanese took over city, they were asked by the German government to send the jewish inhabitants to europe. The commanding General wanted to know why the Nazis hated Jews so much they would waste a military transport to kill these people. The general proceeded to ask the Rosh yeshivah. The answer was given by this gadol was WE are asian! Needless to say they were never deported in fact a few were aloowed to go to USA.
I am not saying Japanese were angels, but they were not Nazis!
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There is this story told to me by an Isreali who was born in Shanghai. When the Japanese took over city, they were asked by the German government to send the jewish inhabitants to europe. The commanding General wanted to know why the Nazis hated Jews so much they would waste a military transport to kill these people. The general proceeded to ask the Rosh yeshivah. The answer was given by this gadol was WE are asian! Needless to say they were never deported in fact a few were aloowed to go to USA.
I am not saying Japanese were angels, but they were not Nazis!
The Japanese slaughtered millions in china they were monsters also
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There is this story told to me by an Isreali who was born in Shanghai. When the Japanese took over city, they were asked by the German government to send the jewish inhabitants to europe. The commanding General wanted to know why the Nazis hated Jews so much they would waste a military transport to kill these people. The general proceeded to ask the Rosh yeshivah. The answer was given by this gadol was WE are asian! Needless to say they were never deported in fact a few were aloowed to go to USA.
I am not saying Japanese were angels, but they were not Nazis!
During WWII infact and I will agree with Jroc on this the Japanese were as monstrous as the nazis.

They raped, killed, subjugated, tortured people. Including US Soldiers, were not even treated according to the geneva convention. The US Forces were abiding by geneva convention, BUT NOT THE JAPANESE they even killed American POWS!
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Well actually I’m just trying to feel you out here, and figure out exactly where you’re coming from. Actually I initially complimented you on this thread, it was you who’s started on this Bush Sr. rant and that democrats and Republicans have all screwed Israel. As far as what I believe on Israel giving back land? I don't think they should give sh...t back, None how’s that? I'm asking my Israeli friend what he thought Bush Sr. I'll get another prospective from him and he's no left winger. Don't get offended by this discussion that’s what Jews do, it's healthy and makes this place a little more interesting if you ask me.
You and me may agree about Jerusalem as being Jewish. But I'm sorry I thought I was living in another galaxy but there have been many Republican Presidents and I'm not saying republicans and democrats NO I said PRESIDENTS have also like democrats tried to stop Israel from settling in EAST JERUSALEM.

You tell me why they did that, as much as democratic Presidents, in recent years anyway.

The Gulf War in 1990 was easy, most arab sunni and even shiite nations like Syria joined the effort to defend fellow arab Kuwait. ONE nation Iraq invaded Kuwait and got such a heavy response from Bush SR, but when Israel had dozens of nations invade her more than once since 1948 and attacked by terrorists non stop until now, America DID NOT send a heavy army to blow up the arabs. Instead they keep telling Israel to go to peace talks. When Ameroica sent weapons to Israel which they did during those wars, Israel was greatful but at times America did it in the dead of night NOT to upset arabs hoping arabs wouldnt catch on. During the gulf war 1990 America asked Israel to restrain itself, which Israel did comply, yet it was more for America security while they were in Saudi arabia so the arab street wouldnt backfire thinking its an Israel thing. Not really to protect Israel, infact Israel was being targetted by Saddam during that war. America did send Patriot weapons, and Saddam was an enemy of Israel, but so was Kuwait who was sending funds to terrorists to destroy Israel, until today Kuwait doesnt want to recognize Israel, but has good relations with the PLO! So even that war I'm not that impressed bu Bush SR, especially when he was at the same time telling the Israelis to talk to the palestinian terrorists. Ofcourse the democrats would do the same or WORSE. So I prefer Bush Sr over any dummycrat.

Its like the LIBYA and Syria situation today. Those are tyrants, but the people are electing islamists and yet Obama is defending the people why? ITS EASY the whole world is for it, most of the world anyway. Would Obama bomb the palestinian arabs? I doubt it.

These are facts, i'm sorry but I am heartbroken when I see republican presidents do it, but I am obliged to say it. You want to hide that fact until people dont even realize it.

Presidents speak from both ends of their mouths, promising one thing, but in ACTION they have always tried to stop Israeli settlements in East Jerusalem.

For the sake of peace on THIS FORUM I will rather keep our friendship cool, we are on the same side here, but I wont lie about Bush sr.

You said it yourself we are discussing and I was only showing perhaps I try to over link- explain- my evidence of why I come to such conclusions I see you posted no links or anything only resistance to the idea Bush sr could have ever done anything to stop Israel from having Jerusalem. You have your reasons and I understand them, but I was never trying to say democrats are better, you seem to get that idea. Nor will I say republican presidents have been so supportive of Israel more than God himself when it isnt true.

Ask George Bush SR WHY HE PRESSURED ISRAEL to stop settlements in Jerusalem, ask him WHY WHY WHY! He made PM Shamir so enraged, do you understand this jroc , do you?

I'm CLOSING this thread. Enough has been said. The thread was to be about Obama and his disregard for Israel mainly. We have all deviated from the subject matter. Furthermore please all concerned go back and re-read history before anymore comments.
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