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Old 01-17-2013, 02:53 PM
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Israel hints at apology to Turkey over Gaza flotillaBy JPOST.COM STAFF, REUTERS
01/17/2013 14:00

Ayalon tells 'Hürriyet' gvn't may attempt to smooth relations by using diplomatic language; Liberman advocates "expression of regret."

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Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon told Turkish daily Hürriyet on Thursday that Israel may use diplomatic language inspired by the letter sent by Washington to Islamabad over the killing of 24 Pakistani soldiers in order end the impasse with Ankara.
“I see some kind of improvement and opportunities,” Ayalon was quoted as saying, citing the "American-Pakistani formula" as an idea to renegotiate relations.
Related: “Remember, recently there were 24 Pakistani soldiers killed by mistake by American forces, and the Americans sent a letter that was accepted in Pakistan. And I believe this could be a good platform to clear away the issue,” Hürriyet quoted Ayalon as saying.
According to Hürriyet, when pressed to define the statement as an apology, Ayalon responded positively.
"If you read the text, I think that should be very clear to everyone. The American text that was sent to Pakistan, I think this is a good base to work [from]. This is what I suggest," Hürriyet quoted Ayalon as saying.

Commenting on the status of communication, Ayalon said Israel is engaging in back channel discussions with Turkey.
“Right now, we have some lower level and we have some back channels,” Ayalon said.
Relations between the Turkey and the Muslim NATO power, a mainstay of Washington's influence in an unstable region, fell apart after Israel's navy killed nine pro-Palestinian Turkish activists who tried to breach its blockade of Gaza in May 2010.
On a similar vein, Avigdor Liberman also said on Tuesday that he was open to taking a page from US diplomacy in crafting a statement to try to mend ties between the two nations.
Liberman noted that, after the United States mistakenly killed 24 Pakistani soldiers in an air strike last November on the Afghan border, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said her country was "sorry for the losses suffered by the Pakistani military" and that Washington was "committed to working closely with Pakistan and Afghanistan to prevent this from every happening again".
Liberman said Clinton's statement could not be called an apology, "but an expression of regret on the killing of innocents".
"I say to you if this is the wording - if the Turks accept the American wording - I will certainly go with it. This is what I am willing to accept," he told his party in a speech whose transcript was provided to Reuters.
The signal from Liberman, a powerful partner in Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu's coalition government, was significant because he had been among the Israeli leaders most vocally opposed to accommodating the Turks' rapprochement demands.
Turkish officials had no immediate comment on Liberman's remarks. Ankara in the past has said it did not need a third party to mediate with Israel, saying all its communication channels were open and that if it wanted it would talk to Israel directly.
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When will Turkey stop their temper tantrum?
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“I see some kind of improvement and opportunities,” Ayalon was quoted as saying, citing the "American-Pakistani formula" as an idea to renegotiate relations.
Get blackmailed by the other party you mean, because that's the American-Pakistani formula, America gives P-stan aid, P-stan hides Jihadis, Americans fight in A-stan, P-stan offers shelter across the border, Americans kill P-stani Jihadis, P-stanis threaten to block logistics, P-stanis stab America in the back, America apologies.
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"but an expression of regret on the killing of innocents".

The killing of nine pro-Palestinian Turkish activists (they definitely weren't "innocents" ) by the Israeli soldiers was in self defence.

Israel has NEVER committed any 'war crimes' against "innocents".

Ottoman Turkey ( in the past ) has openly committed 'genocide" on Armenians, Christians and Kurds.

Turkeys has NO moral imperative in the Gaza invasion by Turkish activists.

Israel does NOT owe Turkey an apology, Turkey OWES Israel an apology, although I believe that Israel would settle for an " expression of regret " from Turkey.
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Israel tends not to get too involved with these apology and group-hug fests. Avi Mamara was different, because the legal implications of the blockade of Gaza was at stake. Thus jumping in with an apology wouldn't have served our interests. The fact that Turkey did not deserve an apology is beside the point in the world of sham diplomacy. Men speak whom no one believes.

But we can play the Hudna game here in Israel, too, if we have too. What's it to us to poor a little gravy on the Turkey? We'll see their giblets on a platter eventually. Hudna is an ancient Jewish tradition: if an alliance helps Israel to survive for another day or week or month or year, it matters little if we do not really care for that nation, and we allow a form of "peace."

A ruse or a truce--whatever does the job. Let the country with pride and ego and other "manhood issues" feel smug for a moment.

Did not King David once serve that age-old enemy of Israel, the Philistine King Akhish of Gahth? What, the famous and much-beloved King David serving the Palestinians?!?!

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Next Article → ATTRITION: Rumble Over Russian Aircraft Reliability
February 26, 2013: Israel has agreed to deliver (after a three year delay) $25 million of electronics needed to complete four Turkish AWACS ((Airborne Warning and Control) aircraft. The delay was caused by increasing hostility between the Islamic politicians in Turkey and Israel. This led to a sharp decline in Israeli military equipment sales to Turkey.

Back in 2002 Turkey signed a one billion dollar contract with Boeing for the design, development and construction of four AWACS type aircraft using the twin engine B-737 jet transport. These 737 transports were modified by Boeing for use as AWACDS. The cruise speed for the 737 is 910 kilometers an hour and the AWACS version has a crew of 8-12 pilots and equipment operators, who use the search radar and various other sensors. The 78 ton 737 AWACS can stay in the air for more than ten hours per sortie.

The main cause of the Israeli delay in delivering the AWACS gear was a 2010 incident where Islamic terrorists, including several Turks, fought with Israeli commandoes on a Turkish ship trying to reach Gaza. An Islamic charity, IHH, organized the six ship flotilla meant to break the blockade. IHH had frequently been identified, over the last two decades, as a supporter of terrorist operations. Messages broadcast, by IHH terrorists on the ships, before the May 30th incident, indicated that the objective was to trigger a lethal battle with the Israelis, and claim an unprovoked Israeli attack on peaceful demonstrators. The IHH operatives were quick to share their anti-Semitic, genocidal and suicidal goals with anyone who cared to pay attention. But many in the West refuse to believe this kind of hate exists in this world. The Western mass media took the hint and the story of Hamas the Police State, and decades of Palestinian propaganda (in Arabic, anyway, they tell you what you want to hear in other languages) calling for the destruction of Israel and expulsion of Jews from the Middle East, got ignored. Also ignored was the abundant Arabic discussion of how important Information War operations like this were, because it has proved impossible to defeat Israel with conventional military operations (major Arab defeats in 1948, 1956, 1967 and 1973) or terrorism (the Palestinian campaign against Israeli civilians, begun in 2000, but was defeated by 2005, something the Palestinians don't like to discuss.) A clearly stated Hamas objective is to amass a large stock of long range rockets, and other weapons, in Gaza, and use them for another major attack on Israel. Iran has been caught trying to ship these weapons in, and they are trickling in via smuggling tunnels. Israel considers the blockade a matter of national security.

Turkey’s Islamic government backed itself into a corner by demanding Israel apologize for defending itself when halting the 2010 blockade-breaking ships. The Turks also demand compensation and an end to the Gaza blockade. This was despite the fact that the Turkish activists on the ships were videoed attacking the Israeli boarding party. The Turks will not back down, and threatened to send warships to escort yet another group of blockade breakers. This was pretty extreme, as the Israeli Navy has a lot more combat experience, and the Turks would be in waters long patrolled by the Israelis. This could easily escalate into an air war, another area where the Israelis have a lot more experience. The Arabs and Palestinians are all for this, as the Israelis have consistently defeated Arab forces, but the Turks are seen as much more capable. The Turks have not withdrawn their demands but have reduced the aggressive rhetoric somewhat. Now, with the Syrian civil war going into its third years, the Israelis made a friendly gesture. The Israeli manufacturer of the electronics also wanted to complete the sale. Business, after all, is business.
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Turkey was the aggressor so they can disappear. How do they disappear you ask? By sticking their collective heads up their collective rear ends and then jumping!
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