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Old 01-28-2010, 12:53 AM
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When it comes with doing business with bad guys, no country is clean. And yes this has played an important role in certain European countries blocking some sanctions that the U.S. wanted to impose on Iran, among other reasons ofcourse.

Just like Americas dependence on oil has "enslaved" America to the gulf states, and in certain extreme cases America has even been bought and paid for by Islamic terrorists like the KLA (Kosovo Liberation Army) and now America plays "Peace keepers" in Kosovo after giving it to Islamic thugs, away from Christian Serbs who that land belongs to. America is attempting to do this again with Jerusalem, but this will back fire if they do.

Well what can we do? We try our best like on this forum to alert folks who give a damn, atleast we tried when its up to the world leaders to do something, and not just them but the people of each country to support them when they do. But there is a general lack of support in both cases. Meanwhile Iran makes the bomb, and Israel may very well be its first victim! it is those politically on the left mostly, who have blocked and continue to block any action on Iran, if it were up to Dick Cheney, Iran would be a nuclear weapons free nation, not of their choice ofcourse, and folks like us here would applaud whatever be the consequences of such action!
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Old 01-28-2010, 08:20 AM
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You are most welcome to chip in jmb.

Check this out everyone:

Iran's leader predicts Israel's destruction
Jan 27 01:24 PM US/Eastern

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) - Iran's supreme leader predicted the destruction of Israel in comments posted on his Web site on Wednesday, in some of his strongest remarks in years about the Jewish state. In the past, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has called Israel a "cancerous tumor" that must be wiped from the map, but the new comments mark the first time in years he has openly speculated about Israel's demise.

"Definitely, the day will come when nations of the region will witness the destruction of the Zionist regime," Khamenei was quoted as saying. "How soon or late (Israel's demise) will happen depends on how Islamic countries and Muslim nations approach the issue."

He did not elaborate.

Khamenei, who made the comments during a meeting with the Mauritanian president on Tuesday, also accused Israel of trying to destroy the Palestinians "through continued pressure, blockades and genocide." He said the Jewish state will not succeed.

See full story here: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1
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just came by this article, think it might help to illustrate my point...

the israeli government just put a report togetherthat outlines the economical activity between europe and Iran, the numbers are pretty huge...
While I would agree that Europe's reluctance to take concrete action is a problem (when hasn't it been a problem?), it is a problem that could be dealt with. Most of Europe would follow if the United States was willing to lead - much the same way that the Europeans stayed outside of the civil war in the former Yugoslavia, until the US stepped in.

The same could not be said for the other security council members, including Russia (which has lost all respect for Obama), and China - where the US has less leverage than it does with Russia.

The biggest problem remains, however, the inability of the Obama Administration to take concrete action. How long have we heard these threats of "crippling sanctions", only to have the Obama White House backtrack on what they're really willing to do. If the US won't lead, don't expect the Europeans to follow.
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........... if the United States was willing to lead
Exactly, if only they would, many of their traditonal allies would feel compelled to follow, in Nato and otherwise. Some may like France did on Iraq, step back, but the US would still have some kind of coalition, with Israel by its side ofcourse!

At many times in the years that have past Israel has asked privately, and even publicly the US to help them rid Iran of its nuclear weapons capability, it fell on deaf or fearful ears.

I know the US has alot of preasure not to to attack Iran, all kinds of things may happen as a result I know this, but allowing Iran the nuke, is that not worse?

Russia and China I will not even bother to ask, they are as helpfull as a roasted duck, for now anyway.

Time is running out, and all will soon have to face the reality that Iran is going to parade a bomb or one hundred with the flag of Israel....and America on them as their primary destinations of destructions.
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I would like to know how the Israeli command, is going to deal with the future possibility, that Iran will forward base and disperse nuclear weapons, in both Lebanon and Syria.

The next step, would be for those irregular units in both Syria and Lebanon, to use the Iranian nukes against Israel, in a game of nuclear chicken. In other words, the special units with the Iranian nukes, would be on-alert and or fly low-level and "hot", with a SU-24 and special bomb towards the border of Israel, and turn or not turn, at the last minute. The SU-24 can be moved to different civilian roads, all over both countries.

About a decade later, they will be able to deploy mini-nukes on tactical mobile ballistic missiles, that will be mounted on small trucks. Perhaps a ground launched cruise missile ?



What is the government going to do ?



I would immediately attack, if a single "special" weapon is forward based in either Syria or Lebanon. Any attack, should be a massive strategic attack. No point in leaving any stone unturned.

Nobody will attack Iran when they have nukes - aside from Israel. The world ? The world does not care, if Iran will attack Israel. What are they going to do ? Close an embassy or two ?

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This is the biggest problem of all. Iran will give its nukes for "safe keeping" and for eventual use to countries like Syria and Hezbollah in Lebanon. Making their stockpile safe in case Israel attacks Irans bases, but will not know easily where Syria and Hezbollah keeps theirs. Thats why there will be a day, a time when the time for action will have passed, and will be simply too late! That day we all will need to prepare for the worst!

The time for action against Iran is now, not tomorrow!
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The time for action against Iran is now, not tomorrow!
You know, at this point, there really isn't much left to say.

Something needs to be done, and quick.
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Without bringing Obama on board, it is never going to happen.

Without American assistance, where is Israel going to be able to find JP-5 avgas, for it's airplanes, while they egress from the targets ? I assume you will need to let the Americans know ahead of time, and request IFF codes, to prevent fratricide with American airplanes in the area ? Which Arab country, will have it's airspace repeatedly violated, during a series of sorties to and from the targets ? How would America feel, after it's own interests are attacked by Iran - assuming Israel attacked without American support ? What will happen to the price of oil, after the Iranians are attacked ?


After a series of strikes, Israel will need American help, in keeping the UN dogs away from Israel.

Israel will also need hi-tech anti-missile systems, in an emergency - SM-3, Aegis destroyer in the Med, X-band radar, and future systems.

Obama is aware, that he can hold all of these cards in Israel's face.
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You know, at this point, there really isn't much left to say.

Something needs to be done, and quick.
Agreed, but likely no one will do anything, as we both know.

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Without bringing Obama on board, it is never going to happen.

Without American assistance, where is Israel going to be able to find JP-5 avgas, for it's airplanes, while they egress from the targets ? I assume you will need to let the Americans know ahead of time, and request IFF codes, to prevent fratricide with American airplanes in the area ? Which Arab country, will have it's airspace repeatedly violated, during a series of sorties to and from the targets ? How would America feel, after it's own interests are attacked by Iran - assuming Israel attacked without American support ? What will happen to the price of oil, after the Iranians are attacked ?


After a series of strikes, Israel will need American help, in keeping the UN dogs away from Israel.

Israel will also need hi-tech anti-missile systems, in an emergency - SM-3, Aegis destroyer in the Med, X-band radar, and future systems.

Obama is aware, that he can hold all of these cards in Israel's face.
I think its safe to say, while Obama is in power, no military action will be taken to stop Iran. Obama will try every way to avoid military strikes, if finally he does go for the military option, it will be very late in his term, perhaps he will even leave it, as a possiblity in an eventual second term.

I know, the economy in America is a priority, and the more America fights wars, the more money is going away from domestic programs. Dont want to be the intro-specting finger pointer everytime, but the truth is, these muslim savages and their savage brothers the communists were taking care of eachother, but everytime, "we" collectively intereferd thinking we need to take a side to defend American or Israeli interests.

Example: The USSR was taking care of the savage Afghans, but America interfered, instead of letting the Soviets finish the Islamic regime there. Whatever be the case no one should have helped Bin Laden and the mujahidens. And let them both be eachothers worst nightmares, and we watch and enjoy the fight.

Iran and Iraq. We should have left Saddam destroy Iran, without helping Iraq, The US and Germany and the UK built Iraqs chemical and biological plants, and France built its Nuclear plants. Sold saddam weapons, only to have to defeat him later.

Israel thinking Iraq was a greater threat sold weapons to Iran, and today Iran is Israels gretest enemy with Iraq gone. Countering America's efforts in Iraq.

My point isnt that Iraq, is better than Iran, or Al qaeda, they are all dirt savages, but they were taking care of eachother, and everytime we took the side of people who one day went against thier former mentors.

We all need to learn the lesson, take the sides of friends only, the the others when they deviate, we bomnb them nice and hard until they cant walk or talk or spit fire.

Arming saudi arabia, and yemen, and the somalis is a big mistake, they will one day turn their weapons againt the United States and Israel.

In a way we are all so very stupid.
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Agreed, but likely no one will do anything, as we both know.



I think its safe to say, while Obama is in power, no military action will be taken to stop Iran. Obama will try every way to avoid military strikes, if finally he does go for the military option, it will be very late in his term, perhaps he will even leave it, as a possiblity in an eventual second term.

I know, the economy in America is a priority, and the more America fights wars, the more money is going away from domestic programs. Dont want to be the intro-specting finger pointer everytime, but the truth is, these muslim savages and their savage brothers the communists were taking care of eachother, but everytime, "we" collectively intereferd thinking we need to take a side to defend American or Israeli interests.

Example: The USSR was taking care of the savage Afghans, but America interfered, instead of letting the Soviets finish the Islamic regime there. Whatever be the case no one should have helped Bin Laden and the mujahidens. And let them both be eachothers worst nightmares, and we watch and enjoy the fight.

Iran and Iraq. We should have left Saddam destroy Iran, without helping Iraq, The US and Germany and the UK built Iraqs chemical and biological plants, and France built its Nuclear plants. Sold saddam weapons, only to have to defeat him later.

Israel thinking Iraq was a greater threat sold weapons to Iran, and today Iran is Israels gretest enemy with Iraq gone. Countering America's efforts in Iraq.

My point isnt that Iraq, is better than Iran, or Al qaeda, they are all dirt savages, but they were taking care of eachother, and everytime we took the side of people who one day went against thier former mentors.

We all need to learn the lesson, take the sides of friends only, the the others when they deviate, we bomnb them nice and hard until they cant walk or talk or spit fire.

Arming saudi arabia, and yemen, and the somalis is a big mistake, they will one day turn their weapons againt the United States and Israel.

In a way we are all so very stupid.
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Nations do not have friends.

Nations only have interests.
The day America discovers or re-discovers that Israel is her friend, as well as other nations discover that having friends is better than having business partners, then that will change, but until then I am afraid you are right.
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Obama is your typical European leader, but what America needed is an American leader!
Today he says oh the direct talks failed, we need more sanctions. And this is what he had ridiculed Bush about, that sanctions and indirect talks need to be replaced by Obama style diplomacy......that has now proven to be an utter failure, and we are back with the Bush way....so Obama, was Bush right after all?
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If Iran get bomb it question of it Iran government hates Israel more care about what happens to them. Israel has about three hundred nuclear weapons that they can deploy if Iran rules a mad man who is willing fire at Israel it will be the end of the human race. Here some of my evidence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_winter
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Unfortunately, the United States is in a total non-leadership role phase of its existance right now. I disagree with this policy but then again I'm not on the inside either. New Ron hit it on the head when he said that America needs an American leader.

With that being said, there is a bill going thru Congress right now that will impose huge tariffs on refined oil products going into Iran. I think that this might be the spark that ignites a wildfire in the Islamic countries. I think that this bill will be the cause of Iranian attacks on the United States in particular that our "beloved" president will use as an iron-clad reason to go to war with Iran. As much as I dislike Mr. Obama, I also know that he is an intelligent politician who will use any incident that develops to ensure his successful re-election, and an Iranian attack will do that.
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If Iran get bomb it question of it Iran government hates Israel more care about what happens to them. Israel has about three hundred nuclear weapons that they can deploy if Iran rules a mad man who is willing fire at Israel it will be the end of the human race. Here some of my evidence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_winter

the estimates included in the article you posted cite a nuclear exchange of around 100 nuclear weapons of a magnitude of around 15kt each, do you really think anyone would use 50 nukes on a country the size of israel?

the effects you described (according to the article you cited, wikipedia though so idk how much i should trust it) would only occur if a nuclear exchange between iran and israel developed into a a bigger nuclear war involving more countries...
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so I just watched an interview on press tv of Ali Akbar saledh ( forgive the spelling )
he is the iranian nuke programme head
Now from what I can gather between the smoke signals of terhan and his own lack of political expertise is Iran are trying to find a way out of this without losing face in the muslim world.

he said the door was still open to getting fuel from outside but then he contradicts this by saying
they would not give us 20 per cent ( meaning the west ) we only need 4 . 8 per cent enriched fuel
also he said the ayatollah has issued a fatwa against Iran having nuclear weapons
so the mr akbahr why enrich to 20 per cent ??
It still leaves a lot to the imagination but that was the best guess I could come up with Iran cant afford sanctions without crippling thier economy so are seeking a backdoor without losing face
or
Amejinidad has really lost the plot and hopes these sanctions will turn the population against the west further strenghting his iron fist crippilng his economy while making him look like the next Nasser of the middle east. while mr akbahr end up on the back of an exploding motorbike for such nonsencical remarks.

either option is still no good as he says thier first reactor is only weeks away from going online as there is only a hot rod test left to do.

scary stuff will lay ahead for us all no one wants war things are bad enough as they are so I will be saying a special prayer for Zahal tonight we know they will keep us safe.
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Now from what I can gather between the smoke signals of terhan and his own lack of political expertise is Iran are trying to find a way out of this without losing face in the muslim world.
The whole idea behind the Western proposal to enrich uranium on behalf of Iran was to allow Iran to save face. Iran would still officially "own" the enriched uranium. They could still develop their own enrichment technology within Iran, but using a smaller stockpile of raw material. There would not be enough highly enriched uranium in Iran at one time to make a bomb, and any enriched uranium returned to Iran would already have been converted into fuel rods for nuclear powerplants.

The real problem has not been in finding creative ways for the Iranian government to save face. The problem is that they want the bomb.
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we all are talking about the danger of an Iranian nuke for Israel but I think it´s more probable the USA will suffer some kind of nuclear attack than Israel and that not for logical reasons.

I am much more afraid for the USA than for Israel. Israel has Archangel Michael (Daniel 12:1) backing it, the USA don´t.

Somebody there told Israel has 300 nukes. Nobody (among us) knows exactly what and how many they have but I guess we may be very surprised to discover that Israel is in possession of weapons the world didn´t know about it´s existance.

Israel must have developed tactical nukes with small warheads.
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Interesting ISIS Report: Iran’s Gas Centrifuge Program: Taking Stock by David Albright and Christina Walrond.

The conclusion (not that we didn't already strongly suspect this):
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However, Iran has almost 9,000 centrifuges at Natanz and the ability to make many thousands more either at Natanz or elsewhere. Despite the problems demonstrated at the FEP, Iran is unlikely to face significant delays in making weapon-grade uranium at Natanz, if it decided to build nuclear weapons. Starting with natural uranium, Iran could likely still produce enough weapon-grade uranium for a nuclear weapon in a year; it could do so considerably faster if it started with its stock of already produced low enriched uranium.
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have already begone with this or are about to do.
They can also have a hidden facility elsewhere enriching Uranium at this very moment. They never tell all truth.

When they say the truth ... WE ARE WORKING ON THE BOMB"

then they would be attacked on the next day by Israel
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