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Israeli Army Sees Rise in Christian Recruits



http://time.com/15479/israeli-army-christian-arabs/

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This is a most positive development. Although Jews and Christians face the same fate under Islamic law — subjugation as dhimmis and denial of basic rights — the unhappy history of Christian anti-Semitism and the near-universal denial of the reality of the Islamic jihad, among innumerable other factors, have prevented the formation of any large-scale cooperative efforts. Freedom lovers may hope that this will be the beginning of much more toward that end.

“Israeli Army Sees Rise in Christian Arab Recruits,” by Karl Vick for Time, March 7:
Jewish Israelis are compelled to make themselves available to Israel’s military, but the obligation has never been applied to the 20 percent of Israeli citizens who identify as Palestinian, and are sometimes called Israeli Arabs. As descendants of the people that Jewish armies fought and defeated to create the state of Israel in 1948–but, who, unlike the 700,000 who fled or were forced out of their homes, were permitted to stay—young Palestinians living Israel were never expected to carry arms to defend it.

Yet a few do. Last year 100 Arab Israelis joined the Israel Defense Forces, double the number of each of the preceding three years. All were Christians, “a minority within a minority,” notes Gabriel Naddaf, the Greek Orthodox priest who is promoting enlistment, and with it a controversial separate identity for the 160,000 Orthodox and Catholics among the 1.7 million Israeli citizens who regard themselves as Palestinian.

Many Israelis, led by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, welcome the move, proudly displaying Arab Christian recruits as an indicator of the country’s commitment to a certain sort of pluralism, even as it presses negotiators for the Palestinians who live beyond Israel’s immediate borders to recognize Israel as “a Jewish state.”
Note the sneering tone. Israel wants the “Palestinians” to recognize Israel as a Jewish state so as to end their oft-stated imperative to destroy it utterly. They want the “Palestinians” to recognize that Israel has a right to exist, and to exist as a state with a Jewish majority. Christians and other non-Jews in Israel enjoy equality of rights and are represented in the Knesset. Compare their situation to the plight of non-Muslims in Islamic states, which Time would never dare criticize: in Pakistan, Iran and elsewhere, non-Muslims live a precarious existence, harassed and brutalized with little or no recourse to protection from the authorities. In Israel, non-Jews live freely.
Palestinian leaders regard IDF recruitment–as well as a Knesset vote last month designating a seat for Christians on an employment commission—as a cynical, divide-and-rule tactic intended to splinter the solidarity of a national liberation movement conceived, in the 1960s, around a newly emerged Palestinian identity. “It’s an expression of the way the Israeli system thinks and works,” says Hanan Ashrawi, a senior PLO official: “Dividing people, defining them by religion, trying to discriminate.”
Actually this Israeli decision was a reaction against divide-and-rule tactics employed by Islamic supremacists in the days of the caliphates and Islamic empires, up to and including the Ottoman Empire: the dhimmi communities were divided from each other and their mutual antagonisms encouraged and perpetuated at the highest levels, so as to avoid the creation of a coalition of victimized peoples against their Muslim overlords. Arab nationalism later co-opted Middle Eastern Christian communities as fellow Arabs and made it a linchpin of Arab loyalty to support the Islamic agenda, when the natural alliance would have been for dhimmi communities to unite against the Sharia imperative. Israel has no made a welcome step toward that alliance.
Father Naddaf says that’s fine by him. In Israel, he says, military service is a key to success in life and Christians want to do better. “Enough of the lies regarding Christian identity and the nationality of the Christians in Israel,” Naddaf tells TIME. “We want to integrate into Israeli society. We want to contribute to the society we live in. And we want to represent ourselves. No one else will.”

The priest said Christians have learned from the examples of other non-Jews who advanced in Israeli society by serving in the military: the Druze and Bedouin, Arabic-speaking residents of Israel who have never identified as Palestinian. In 2012, along with two other Orthodox priests, Naddaf established the “Israeli-Christian Recruitment Forum” to encourage army enlistment. The forum has its own flag—a sword in the shape of a cross behind the Israel’s own Star of David standard—but the two other priests are gone. “Unfortunately they withdrew because of the threats,” says Naddaf, who has received so many threats to his own life that Israel’s internal security service rates him at level four on a scale of one to six, he says.

Which bring us to another driver of the nascent movement: The dire situation facing Christian populations from Iraq to Egypt to Syria. “We are caught between the hammer and anvil,” says Ezak Hallak, a Nazareth lawyer for the Forum, quoting a Hebrew expression. “In our hearts, we support Israel, the Jews. I think the Christians in the Middle East are getting slaughtered because we are not speaking what is in our hearts. Stand up for yourself. There is no other way to face the craziness of the radical Arabs. No other way in the world.”

How controversial is an Arab joining the IDF? After enlisting, Naddaf’s son, Jabron, was attacked on the street by a man shouting “traitor”—a word even his friends would have used just two years ago, Jabron Naddaf says, “but it’s not the case any more.” And indeed, the idea of serving in the IDF brought no strong reactions from a half dozen people—all Muslims—interviewed on the street in downtown Nazareth, the town where, according to lore, Christ came of age….
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Israel needs to do more outreach to the Christian world. This should include better Christian PR efforts, "birthright" type programs for youth as well as partnership to encourage Christian tourism...
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2013 ‘record year’ for tourism, government says /Times of Israel

3.54 million tourists. The majority of tourists visiting Israel in 2013 were Christian...

1.75 million Christian tourists a year . . .
Israel has huge outreach to the Christian world!

My wife works as a volunteer for an outfit that does nothing but bring in Christian tourists, give them lectures on the history, the current issues, faith-matters, Holocaust etc. The tourists are all professing Christians, ie not just by nominal tradition. Many come from countries that don't even recognize Israel. Indonesia and Malaysia especially, and many Asian countries. But also from Africa, Latin America.

Professing Christians provide the largest single Gentile group in the volunteer system here. I have met and worked with plenty.

They also enroll in English-language Hebrew classes here at our universities and colleges, and in history and current events programmes. Some are adult education courses, but many are full-credit uni level courses.

I know a number who have been in the IDF volunteer programme, though they will not be registered in any way as "Christians," so many here are not aware who these people are unless they have personal discussions.

Always a few on the volunteer crews at archaeological digs, too.

Christian tourism is huge. 2013 was a record year for tourism in general here, but also a record year for Christian tourism. 53% of all tourists were here specifically because they are Christians.

This matter of Israeli outreach to Christians around the world has been treated seriously by Israel for a long time, and that over half of all tourists to Israel are professing Christians who visit as a part of their faith says that our outreach is very successful.

I visit the Kotel (the Western Wall) frequently, and no day goes by when I don't see the bus-loads of Christian tourist. Nigerians singing hymns, Colombians singing hymns, African-Americans singing gospel music, Koreans praying with their arms raised, youth groups, the elderly, and everything in between.

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Excellent!!! I agree this is a great start and even greater opportunity. 1.75 million/year is a small fraction of the potential. The number could be increased to ten times but would require increased outreach as well as increased tourist infrastructure including improved rail, sea and air transport as well as many more hotels.

Most of these tourists will then become ambassadors for Israel...

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2013 ‘record year’ for tourism, government says /Times of Israel

3.54 million tourists. The majority of tourists visiting Israel in 2013 were Christian...

1.75 million Christian tourists a year . . .
Israel has huge outreach to the Christian world!

My wife works as a volunteer for an outfit that does nothing but bring in Christian tourists, give them lectures on the history, the current issues, faith-matters, Holocaust etc. The tourists are all professing Christians, ie not just by nominal tradition. Many come from countries that don't even recognize Israel. Indonesia and Malaysia especially, and many Asian countries. But also from Africa, Latin America.

Professing Christians provide the largest single Gentile group in the volunteer system here. I have met and worked with plenty.

They also enroll in English-language Hebrew classes here at our universities and colleges, and in history and current events programmes. Some are adult education courses, but many are full-credit uni level courses.

I know a number who have been in the IDF volunteer programme, though they will not be registered in any way as "Christians," so many here are not aware who these people are unless they have personal discussions.

Always a few on the volunteer crews at archaeological digs, too.

Christian tourism is huge. 2013 was a record year for tourism in general here, but also a record year for Christian tourism. 53% of all tourists were here specifically because they are Christians.

This matter of Israeli outreach to Christians around the world has been treated seriously by Israel for a long time, and that over half of all tourists to Israel are professing Christians who visit as a part of their faith says that our outreach is very successful.

I visit the Kotel (the Western Wall) frequently, and no day goes by when I don't see the bus-loads of Christian tourist. Nigerians singing hymns, Colombians singing hymns, African-Americans singing gospel music, Koreans praying with their arms raised, youth groups, the elderly, and everything in between.
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1.75 million is not a small fraction. There may be over a billion Christians by nominal or cultural definition, but there are no where near that number of Biblical Christians. Israel support is not so important in the Catholic or Protestant world, either. Christian tourism may be nearr saturation point.

Our rail system has been expanded dramatically, with lines to Karmiel and Kiryat Shmonei, bullet train to Jerusalem. Many air charter firms already in operation.

Believe me, the campaign fot Christian support, and tourism, is mature and well past being just a start.

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Israel needs to do more outreach to the Christian world. This should include better Christian PR efforts, "birthright" type programs for youth as well as partnership to encourage Christian tourism...
While I agree, I see it more the other way around, there is more enmity towards Jews by many more Christians than lack of trust by Jews towards Christians in this day and age.

While see some blessed souls like these Christians fighting for Israel, I know of many many more arab Christians and other Christians who would gladly join the Muslims when the time came to slaughter the Jews.

You see the human tragedy of it all. Where Shia muslims victims of Sunni murderers in Pakistan and think they would learn from this, but alas no, they also get involved in persecuting Christians. Then the worse of all, is to hear from the mouth of a Pakistani Christian who forced to hide from the Muslims talk about the day he will defeat the Jew in battle....and if not in battle he will teach the Jew that he better become a Christian or will be denied entry into heaven. One way or another that attitude breeds the same attitude if Christians are allowed to be numerous in Israel they will try to convert all Jews once again and some by force, but thank God they are not united and we see them spend more time quarreling amongst eachother RIGHT IN BETHLEHEM, sometimes even fighting with brooms!

Just as I have heard with my own ears Lebanese Christians bash Israel as the enemy of Christians, when Israel has done NOTHING EVER to harm the Christians of lebanon, it is the CHRISTIANS OF LEBANON who massacred the muslims in chabra and chatilla and yet when Israel is being accused you see the Christian lebanese keeping quiet allowing all the blame on Israel and even joining in the blame game!

Let the Christians do a PR campaign FIRST and MEAN IT and recognize Israel as a Jewish state!

I know only of a few groups like the Christian Zionists & a few others among the Arab Israeli and larger Christian world whom I can trust!

Israel allows so many Christians to work, live and worship in Israel. Some even start crazy cults right in Jerusalem and have to be stopped before they start placing bombs to start "Armageddon" Israel would have been even more open if the Catholic Church for example had been clear of their respect for Israel, but the Vatican has always played a DOUBLE GAME and its representatives among the Palestinian clergy have shown their loyalty to the TERRORISTS again and again. The Protestants laugh at the Catholics forgetting their history towards the Jews is just as evil and bloody.

Israel is surrounded by savage enemies, aswell as some honorable ones but who act like savages, but had it not been for the double games played by the so called Christian nations, who had most of the power for a long time now Israel would have long since defeated her enemies. While America and others have been Israels best friend, they have equally been her worst enemy. Hard to believe but when you see someone like George Bush Senior boycott Israel until she allows the Palestinians to have Jerusalem among other lands, you now see why the Palestinian terrorist have hope and who gives them that hope of all people!!!!! Worth mentioning weak Rightwing and leftist Israeli politicians who submitted to the thinking of the western nations and signed treaties and given land away which in most cases has only prolonged the conflict. So will not leave out blame on Israels side where there is blame to go around.

But there is more hope for Israel and more hope for the Christians who support Israel, for God is showing more and more for those who see, who is the real victim! The real enemies, Iran, Saudi Arabia among others are showing their true faces more and more, unable to hide behind their garment of deception as their own people are disrobing themselves like strippers for the world to see!
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Outgoing El Al CEO Elyezer Shkedy: Israel should not be ashamed or cynical about planning for this.

"Israel has the potential to have not five million tourists, but 25 million, and we should not be ashamed or cynical about planning for this," said outgoing El Al Israel Airlines Ltd. (TASE: ELAL) CEO Elyezer Shkedy at the Israel Tourism and Travel Agents Association annual conference.

"El Al is the civil wings of the State of Israel and of Jews worldwide, and I have had the honor of heading this company," added Shkedy.

Shkedy announced his resignation on December 1, 2013, and it will take effect in a few days. No successor has yet been appointed.

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Approximately, 10-15 percent of all Christian worldwide are fundamentalist and most of them are extremely pro-Israel. In addition, many Catholic and Protestants are very pro-Israel despite the anti-Israel headlines from some of their leaders. In fact some prominent leaders of Catholic and Protestant groups are pro-Israel but that rarely gets covered by the biased press. I believe, the Pope and the leaders of the Vatican are more pro-Israel than the press would have us believe...

Most Christians I know in the US are pro-Israel and want to visit Israel. The few European I do business with are happy to do business with a Jew and tend to be pro-Israel although I understand the number is less than in the US. In Asia, the people tend to look up to Jews and view Israel as a very powerful and important country. I reject the notion that we need to be isolated throughout the world.

If we can work with other groups, we should work with all groups including Christian groups... I still believe there is enormous potential there and this will take years.

Israel is improving the rail, sea and air transport system but it is still not up to par with other travel destinations. The number of hotels needs to increase too which will take some time.
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Israel has extensive, open business, cultural, and touristic relations with Europe. Many Israel supporters in the US labour under the misconception that Western Europe and North America are somehow very different on Israel. The type of anti-Semitism in Canada and the US mirrors Europe, and is sometimes much more vitriolic. The US outstrips Western Europe in the production of anti-Semitic literature, especially in literature claiming to be Christian. I have worked with pro-Israel groups in the British countries, and I'd say that NIreland is best on Israel, and Scotland a basket case. Yet Britain is maligned endlessly as if it is a given that most Brits are anti-Israel. Funny considering how they flood into Israel as tourists. They could go to Spain or Greece or Turkey for a cheaper holiday. Yes, as a percentage more supporters in the US, but it has to be balanced with a more hard-core anti-Semitic crowd even among old-style conservatives. But anti-Semites do still visit Israel, believe it or not. I have run into a few in my day. One was a Puritan, the other an Evangelical.

A lot of those 'fundementalists' are better described as non-denominational evangelicals. Many evangelicals are far from being literalists or fundementalists, and they vary tremendously on their Israel attitudes. Paparock has put up a number of articles showing that the evangelical trend is away from Israel, not toward, though what the figures are exactly is anyone's guess. Even in Israel, the Christians are very divided on pro-Israel Arab Christians (Israel as the Holy Land given by God to the Jews), and anti-Israel Christian Arabs (Israel as occupied Palestine ruled by Christ-killers who lost their right to the Land). Even the Church of England has anti-Israeli prelates here, and yet one mission I know of in Jerusalem which is pro-Israel. Go figure.

Yes, Catholics come here too in large numbers, but not necessarily as a pro-Israel stance. Many are here to see the Catholic holy sites, especially those marked out by Empress Helena, the pagan Constantine's mother. Most are fictitious and unhistorical, but the sheep flock anyway. Their sheqels ring nicely when they hit the till. But yes, some Catholics defy their church theology and believe that Israel is still a special people, maybe more Catholics than we know.

There are no religious tests for tourists, though, and they all come in. In any event, Christian tourism is doing excellently, growing, and a shinning example of our economy at its best.
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Approximately, 10-15 percent of all Christian worldwide are fundamentalist and most of them are extremely pro-Israel. In addition, many Catholic and Protestants are very pro-Israel despite the anti-Israel headlines from some of their leaders. In fact some prominent leaders of Catholic and Protestant groups are pro-Israel but that rarely gets covered by the biased press. I believe, the Pope and the leaders of the Vatican are more pro-Israel than the press would have us believe...

Most Christians I know in the US are pro-Israel and want to visit Israel. The few European I do business with are happy to do business with a Jew and tend to be pro-Israel although I understand the number is less than in the US. In Asia, the people tend to look up to Jews and view Israel as a very powerful and important country. I reject the notion that we need to be isolated throughout the world.

If we can work with other groups, we should work with all groups including Christian groups... I still believe there is enormous potential there and this will take years.

Israel is improving the rail, sea and air transport system but it is still not up to par with other travel destinations. The number of hotels needs to increase too which will take some time.
Many of those "fundamentalists" are non-denominational Evangelicals, or Charismatics. The Charismatics are often far from being fundamentalist in any sense.

Yes, many Catholics and Protestant come here, A] Because they want to see THEIR holy land, and not because they are pro-Israel. Fine--their sheqels ring true in the till. And yes again, there are Catholics and Protestants who, despite their own church's Replacement Theology, and anti-Israel stance, do like Israel and feel supportive. Weird, but ok. We don't ask for any religious test for tourists.

Asia and the Jews: I assume you mean the far east, as Israel is an Asian country. The biggest, China, does have a fascination with us, and are coming here more and more as tourists. Indonesia is also large, and has no relations with Israel, and is the largest Muslim country in the world. We do get Christian visitors regularly, but it is arranged for them to go through Singapore or elsewhere, and Israeli officials agree not to stamp their passports. Japan has a small but generally pro-Israel Christian population, and Korea a large one, although that includes some freaky hyper-charismatic groups that mix Korean shamanism in with New Testament.

You reject the notion that we (Israel?) need to be isolated throughout the world? Who advocates this? Now, our faith does demand that we keep separate from the world, that is, paganism and the ways of the world. But that has never meant discouraging any visitors here.

Our rail system is above average, and one of the busiest in the world per capita. It has expanded greatly, and considering the north-south axis of our population centres, we're better served than even rail-saturated Europe. The bullet train from T"A to Jerusalem is almost finished, and new spurs open every year. The international tender for the Be'ersheva-Eilat line is out. The Akko-Karmiel-Kiryat Shmonei line is under construction as we speak. All the main highways are modern and divided motorways. The Trans-Israel ('Kvish 6') has been open for years, and is getting additional lanes again as we speak.

Sea lanes: If you mean passenger ships, Israel has seen big growth in arrivals at the cruise terminal which is near my flat. We only have one Israel cruise company, Mano, but many ships stop here. I remember watching the Queen Elizabeth fill up the harbour and dwarf the frigates and submarines. What more are we supposed to do?

Air links: Israel flies internationally well-above its size. The airport building (Terminal 3) is new, vast, and modern, and most world airlines have connections here. Israel's four airlines (one cargo) hub at B-G. Passenger ratings placed B-G above almost all major European airports in customer satisfaction. Compared to the controlled chaos of Heathrow or collapsing roofs at De Gaulle I can see why.

As said, always room for improvement and new ideas, and no room for complacency--but on the whole, tourism isn't an area I'd pick for "needs improvement" with any priority, compared to other things we need to do here, or problems to fix. Illegal immigrants, hashish and other drug smuggling, high food prices, affordable housing, Aliyah programmes. etc. True the authorities need to keep on top of it, and by and large they do a good job and the ever-increasing tourism, with last year a record, would indicate that.

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David, I think the point being made here is really best illustrated by the El Al comment above. It isn't that Israel isn't doing anything, and perhaps it isn't even that it has failed to do enough, but the bar has been set low. Many other nations outstrip Israel for attracting tourists even though Israel is a natural tourist destination for a vast array of types of tourists (eg--beach goers, the religious, Zionists in the diaspora, museum lovers, etc.). As a consequence, when a nation should be getting, say, 10 to 20 million per year (ostensibly) but instead even record setting years are a fraction of those numbers. This is what gives the impression that Israel may not be doing enough or leaving untapped potential. In this regard I have to agree. There are a lot of potential tourists that are being "left on the table" so to speak. The problem is that Israel is hyper-politicized in a way that someplace like Aruba or Cancun simply aren't.
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