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Old 01-25-2015, 10:27 PM
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NT Labor president Matthew Gardiner allegedly gone to fight Isis in Syria


Sunday 25 January 2015 21.12 AEST


The head of the Northern Territory branch of the Labor party has allegedly left Australia with the intention of fighting with Kurdish forces against Islamic State in Syria.

Matthew Gardiner, 43, who was also secretary of the United Voice union until his recent resignation, has not been heard from for several weeks and is thought to have left the country to join the battle against the Islamist militant group, the ABC reports.

The circumstances surrounding Gardiner (reportedly an ex-Australian Army soldier) leaving the country are part of an Australian federal police investigation, an AFP spokesman confirmed to Guardian Australia. The AFP could not comment further, he said.

Under Australia’s newly legislated foreign fighter laws, should Gardiner go to Syria and try to return, he could face 10 years in prison, regardless of which side he is fighting on.

“We know there are some Australians who think they’ve made the right choice in becoming involved in overseas conflicts, but that choice only adds to the suffering in Syria and Iraq and it’s putting those Australians and others in mortal danger,” a spokesman for the attorney-general, George Brandis, told the ABC.

Aimed at addressing domestic terrorism threats, the laws passed in October last year set out new crimes for fighting in designated “no-go zones”, and for “advocating” terrorism. The Al-Raqqa province in Syria has since been declared a no-go zone.


“The purpose of this provision … is to say that there are some areas of the world, areas under the control of terrorist armies, which are at war against their own populations as they are in northern Iraq, which are engaged in genocide and religious persecution and subversion of legitimate governments, to which Australians should not travel,” said the attorney general, George Brandis in October.


A spokeswoman for United Voices confirmed to Guardian Australia that Gardiner had resigned as secretary but did not know when. She said the union was not commenting further at this stage.

The NT branch of the Labor party stood down Gardiner as president and suspended his membership, after the reports emerged late on Sunday.

“In accordance with the rules of the NTALP, vice president Kay Densley will act as president until the 2015 conference,” party secretary Kent Rowe said in a statement. He declined to comment further while the AFP investigation continued.

The opposition leader, Bill Shorten, was aware of reports about Gardiner but would not make a statement until they were confirmed, a federal Labor spokesman said.

On Saturday Brandis revealed the number of Australians believed to have gone to Syria and Iraq to fight with Islamic State was now estimated at 90.

http://www.theguardian.com/australia...-isis-in-syria

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Guardian Australia


NT Labor president Matthew Gardiner allegedly gone to fight Isis in Syria


Sunday 25 January 2015 21.12 AEST


The head of the Northern Territory branch of the Labor party has allegedly left Australia with the intention of fighting with Kurdish forces against Islamic State in Syria.

Matthew Gardiner, 43, who was also secretary of the United Voice union until his recent resignation, has not been heard from for several weeks and is thought to have left the country to join the battle against the Islamist militant group, the ABC reports.

The circumstances surrounding Gardiner (reportedly an ex-Australian Army soldier) leaving the country are part of an Australian federal police investigation, an AFP spokesman confirmed to Guardian Australia. The AFP could not comment further, he said.

Under Australia’s newly legislated foreign fighter laws, should Gardiner go to Syria and try to return, he could face 10 years in prison, regardless of which side he is fighting on.

“We know there are some Australians who think they’ve made the right choice in becoming involved in overseas conflicts, but that choice only adds to the suffering in Syria and Iraq and it’s putting those Australians and others in mortal danger,” a spokesman for the attorney-general, George Brandis, told the ABC.

Aimed at addressing domestic terrorism threats, the laws passed in October last year set out new crimes for fighting in designated “no-go zones”, and for “advocating” terrorism. The Al-Raqqa province in Syria has since been declared a no-go zone.


“The purpose of this provision … is to say that there are some areas of the world, areas under the control of terrorist armies, which are at war against their own populations as they are in northern Iraq, which are engaged in genocide and religious persecution and subversion of legitimate governments, to which Australians should not travel,” said the attorney general, George Brandis in October.


A spokeswoman for United Voices confirmed to Guardian Australia that Gardiner had resigned as secretary but did not know when. She said the union was not commenting further at this stage.

The NT branch of the Labor party stood down Gardiner as president and suspended his membership, after the reports emerged late on Sunday.

“In accordance with the rules of the NTALP, vice president Kay Densley will act as president until the 2015 conference,” party secretary Kent Rowe said in a statement. He declined to comment further while the AFP investigation continued.

The opposition leader, Bill Shorten, was aware of reports about Gardiner but would not make a statement until they were confirmed, a federal Labor spokesman said.

On Saturday Brandis revealed the number of Australians believed to have gone to Syria and Iraq to fight with Islamic State was now estimated at 90.

http://www.theguardian.com/australia...-isis-in-syria

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Does anyone know whether or not,( under Australia’s newly legislated foreign fighter laws ), will ' Jewish Australian's', who in the past have gone back to fight ( quite legally ) in Israeli military units, will now come under this new Legislation- '( Australia’s newly legislated foreign fighter laws )


?

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He's fighting for the right side I believe, however Aussie taxpayers shouldn't be expected to foot the bill should he end up requiring rescue.

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As I understand the bill targets those who fight alongside listed terrorist orgs or in hotspots of terrorism and thus may cause harm to Australian security upon return. So enlisting in IDF shouldn't be a problem as far as legalities go IMHO. Gardiner will likely be questioned though because he is fighting in a designated "no go zone" if he returns , but shouldn't be punished if he is deemed unlikely to cause trouble for the state.
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He's fighting for the right side I believe, however Aussie taxpayers shouldn't be expected to foot the bill should he end up requiring rescue.

WABA,

As I understand the bill targets those who fight alongside listed terrorist orgs or in hotspots of terrorism and thus may cause harm to Australian security upon return. So enlisting in IDF shouldn't be a problem as far as legalities go IMHO. Gardiner will likely be questioned though because he is fighting in a designated "no go zone" if he returns , but shouldn't be punished if he is deemed unlikely to cause trouble for the state.
Thanks for the update Knaur.

I agree with your assessment of his actions, I do not believe he is supporting ' Islamic jihadi terrorism ' in any way whatsoever.

In fact the 'Kurds' are totally on the side of the West, and are only defending themselves against ISIL/ISIL Islamic fundamentalist sharia psychotic's, who are hell bent on committing 'genocide' upon them.
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I think the trouble is that it is a slippery slope. There are many players in the ME who have shady loyalties and overlapping intersts, hence the designation of certain areas as "no go zones". In this case, Turkey is also a NATO member and ally of the West which has branded PKK as a terrorist org, so support for the Kurds becomes a thorny issue.
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