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Old 04-10-2012, 08:16 PM
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I wanted to post this article as an example of the percieved versus reality when it come to the IDF.

How desperate is the IDF that it is seeking out above age, non hebrew speakers? The reality is that even Israeli natives are being excused from army duty due to budget constraints. In other words all the funds set aside for head count have been used. Not that there is more need than soldiers. Just that every position they planned to fill has been filled.


http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Ne...sh.aspx/237023

IDF Turns Back Hareidi Recruits




Hareidi-religious young men who wished to serve in the IDF were turned away due to budget constraints, according to the Kalkalist website. One hundred recruits were turned back after a hareidi-religious track for IDF service proved more popular than planned.

The IDF had set aside money to recruit 1,200 hareidi-religious soldiers in 2011, and 1,388 expressed interest. Only 1,288 were accepted, although all were eligible.

Hareidi soldiers often cost more due to the fact that they often have wives and children, who are entitled to certain financial benefits.
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Lol, 2 things/notes can be asked/said here:

1) Then why the fuss in Israel about how Hareidi people don't want to serve in the army ? (Note: playing devil's advocate here)

2) "Haredi soldiers often cost more due to the fact that they often have wives and children, who are entitled to certain financial benefits". Aside from the stereotypical view here of this article's author, this statement doesn't mean that the IDF is full. It simply means that the IDF didn't want to take on a new burden of responsibility. Any outside info you have is different; all this article says, however, is that the IDF turned away Haredi applicants for the responsibility!

When a selective job rejects someone who wants full-healthcare benefits and every penny he can squeeze out of the corporation, it doesn't mean the slot is filled. It simply means the slot was closed to that person.

Also, I have no experience whatsoever in this, but wouldn't some intelligence or other branches of the IDF find a use for elder-aged people (in terms of office work, cover, unsuspected agents/soldiers)?
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.... I have no experience whatsoever in this...
Excellent summary of your evaluation
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Lol, I predicted that would be used!!!!! I stopped when I wrote it and decided to continue..
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I realize this seems incredible, but
Maj. General Amos Gilad seems to disagree with you as well.

http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Article.aspx?id=265668


It’s not often that you hear an Israeli general saying the country’s security situation is fine, that everything isn’t gloom and doom, and that the defense budget is adequate.

But, breaking from that military tradition, Maj.-Gen. (res.) Amos Gilad, the director of Policy and Political-Military Affairs at the Defense Ministry, contends that the country is in a stronger position than it has been in a long time. “This has been the most convenient year from a security point of view,” he says.

Suicide bombings are history, Palestinian terrorism has been defeated, Israeli deterrence is keeping Hamas rockets at bay, Syria’s army is pre-occupied with rebellion at home and Iran does not yet have nuclear weapons. The peace treaties with Jordan and Egypt are still in force and Israel continues to enjoy cooperation of the Egyptian military.
“Of course, we are enjoying the good services of Egypt. The Egyptians do have dramatic influence,” he said.

A former top intelligence officer and liaison with Egypt, Gilad didn’t take long, however, to sour that pleasant note when he warned that the ongoing political upheaval in Egypt and the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood could spell trouble in the future.

“I'm not hiding from you that we are concerned,” Gilad told foreign journalists and diplomats at a briefing at the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs, an Israeli think-tank. “The leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood keep declaring, 'We are committed to this peace.' I am not so sure.”
He said the Islamists regard Israel as “Waqf, holy land,” or property bequeathed by Muslims for religious purposes. He noted that it was the Egypt’s Brotherhood-dominated parliament that called for expelling Israel’s ambassador and reviewing bilateral ties after Israel launched a military strike on Gaza last month.

Last Friday, a member of parliament for the Freedom and Justice Party, the political arms of the Muslim Brotherhood, said the movement would not put the peace treaty with Israel to a referendum vote. “We will not put the Camp David accords, or any other agreement Egypt has signed to a national referendum,” said Abd Al-Maujood Al-Dardiri.

But the Brotherhood is currently engaged in a public relations effort to convince the US and other Western powers that it can be relied on and it has reversed itself on positions in the past.
“All these developments, we will need to look at them very carefully. Because they can declare they are committed to peace but they can find excuses to undermine it,” Gilad said.

Israel regards the 33-year-old peace treaty with Egypt as a pillar of its national security. Egypt was the first Arab nation to make peace with the Jewish state and Gilad said he couldn’t imagine peace deals with other Arab countries in the future without Egyptian support.

Nevertheless, lawlessness is growing in the Sinai Peninsula, which abuts Israel. Al-Qaida and Palestinian terrorists are using it as a launch pad for strikes against Israel and disgruntled Bedouin routinely attack the pipeline that delivers natural gas to Israel and Jordan. Egyptian forces have failed to keep order since Husni Mubarak was toppled over a year ago.
On Monday, terrorists blew up the pipeline supplying gas to Israel and Jordan near Al-Arish in the northern Sinai, the 14th time since the revolt that ousted Mubarak. Two days before, a pair of Grad rockets that hit the southern Israeli resort town of Eilat. Israel says they were fired from the Sinai, a charge the Egyptians have denied.

Israeli security sources have labeled Sinai a “terror Incubator,” a transit point for huge quantities of arms, rockets and contraband originating in Iran and Libya headed for Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip.
In response to the growing anarchy there, Egypt, with coordination with Israel, has been dramatically boosting its military presence in the Sinai to restore control. At least seven Egyptian military battalions, comprising some 3,000 troops, together with 150 special forces police were expected to deploy gradually in the Sinai, according to the Palestinian Ma’an news agency.
These forces were in addition to 1,000 Egyptian security forces Israel agreed to allow the last year into what is officially a demilitarized zone under the Egyptian-Israeli peace treaty.
“Without Egypt, I cannot imagine stability on our southern front,” Gilad said. “They are the only ones who know how to convince all the crazy guys there, all the extremists, to be calm and quiet.
He added cryptically that anything except success by the Egyptian forces could lead to Israeli action. “There are some hidden laws of the game,” Gilad said.
The 1979 peace treaty between Israel and Egypt calls for limited force presence since even the slightest spark has the risk of damaging relations, particularly during this volatile time in Egypt.
Under the peace treaty, a “hot pursuit” clause allows forces of one country to pursue an armed threat across the border of the other. But last year, a diplomatic crisis erupted after the Israeli military mistakenly killed a number of Egyptian security forces following a cross-border ambush by at least a dozen gunmen that killed eight people and wounded over 40.
Setting aside Egypt's will to control Sinai, its ability to do so remains in doubt.
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Lol, I predicted that would be used!!!!! I stopped when I wrote it and decided to continue..
Well, even the original article does not state what you posted.

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"Haredi soldiers often cost more due to the fact that they often have wives and children, who are entitled to certain financial benefits". Aside from the stereotypical view here of this article's author, this statement doesn't mean that the IDF is full. It simply means that the IDF didn't want to take on a new burden of responsibility. Any outside info you have is different; all this article says, however, is that the IDF turned away Haredi applicants for the responsibility!
No, the inference is that with Haredi soldies as with others, there is simply a talent pool that exceeds requirements already.
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Just asking--is that an explicit inference or an implicit one? Consider the logic. I'll take rafi's word that the idf talent pool is overflowing--but not on the basis of this article which is irrelevant to that point.
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Modern Israel also has a mordern army and with that comes modern problems
as her security becomes more stable (then that in the 70's) the need for huge reserves of land based arnys has decreased with modern technology the battlefield has shifted towards air and naval based systems.
while the homefrond situation is far from easy the simple fact is that it is easily contained to 3 areas with a further 4 areas requiring mainly gaurding against infiltratiors. a job which is relativly low budget.
The increase in tech means more money is needed.
Combine that with a standing army that comes from a population which has broken all the records in scientific, business and innovation sectors.
Its easy to see why the Idf no longer have a huge requirement of infantry.
while at the time I was not a supporter of Baraks plan for a smaller smarter army I can appretiate it now when you see the results it brings in it own right.

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