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Historical Israel-Arab wars Discuss the strategies and the situation of the historical Israeli-Arab wars from 1948-1982 and it's implications on Israel.

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Old 03-22-2007, 10:42 PM
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Default A Brief history of the conflict for those who came here to find out.

It is hard to sum it to sum up the conflict with out being selective since there is so much to it. There was a land that Jews had sovereignty of in the past. Arabs will say otherwise, but no one intelligent contests this. The archaeological evidence backs up the biblical references to such an extent that even the characters in the bible are almost certain to have existed (though there existence does not prove there is a God) The Jews where exiled from this land but there has always been a small presence of Jews on the land. This land was renamed Palestine by the Romans as in insult.

In the last 1800ís Jews started to move back to Israel, this was triggered by Zionism. Its founder Theodore Hertzl had seen how Jews has been persecuted all over Europe for centuries, from pogroms in Eastern Europe to 2nd class status in Spain and expulsion from Britain. He decided that the only answer was a Jewish state. What is now Israel was not the initial definite and obvious choice just that they need some place. The fact that it is where it is, is due to 3 reasons. It has religious significance. It had feasibility, (since it was under temporary mandate) and the growing Jewish population there. The turning point where the idea of the homeland being Israel came in 1917 with the Balfour declaration by the UK that it will give the land to the Jews.

After world war one, the British captured parts of the Middle East off of the Ottoman Empire who has sided with the Germans in the war. They where given ownership of this land for a set period, it was called the British mandate of Palestine, it included what is today Israel, what it today Jordan and part of what is today Syria. The French mandate included what is today Lebanon and the rest of what is today France. I am explaining this because this is why Britain had the land to promise away.

By this time there where already Arabs living there. Whilst the Bedouin (who are Arabs) and Druze certainly lived there for many 100ís of years the Arabs immigrated there when the Jews started to. Different people will give different accounts; some will say the Arabs followed the Jews there since the Jews made the land liveable and Arabs will say otherwise, though Iím not convinced by their claim since they say they lived their since eternity. One things for sure it that when the Jews first came over there it was very little going on there.

At this point of time their where attacks by Arabs against Jews although not to a huge degree. I forget the date but there was an Arab revolt in the 1930ís where 100ís of Jews where massacred, after a while Jews where fighting back and you saw the same tit for tat tactics you got here with the IRA. The grand mufti of Jerusalem was a friend of Hitler and is believed to be a key reason for the Nazis final solution, the holocaust. He in fact even trained up Muslims for the SS and it will probably come to you as little surprise that the Arabs sided with the Nazis and that the Jewish brigade of the British army was set up not to fight in Italy as it ended up doing but to protect the British mandate of Palestine.

After world war 2 Israel was set up and finally got independence in 1948, there are a few things most people donít know. See Jews lived on the whole mandate, and then Britain got rid of what is now part of Syria, it gave it to France and the Jews where forced to leave. Then the British gave away the land that is now Jordan, forcing the Jews to move on to the remaining 11% of the mandate. So when people say why did Jews the minority get over 60% of the mandate, they only got that percentage of what was left, they got 8% of the original land, but this was to much for the Arabs who wanted that last 1/600th of the middle east and so Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Syria and Jordan all attacked the one day old state to try and destroy it. They said to the Arabs ďleave now and when we beat the Jews you can have all the landĒ so 500,000 Arabs left. The Arabs claim that they where all kicked out by force, which whilst this may have been the case with some is not likely to have been the case with the majority. They forget about the 900,000 Jews that had to flee violence in Arab countries at this same stage. The Jewish state absorbed them, unlike the Arab refugees who where not absorbed by the Arab states.

There where more wars between Israel and the Arabs, if you want to know more about these then look them up on wikipedia just search on google wiki and name of war.

War of attrition
6 day war
Yom Kippur war
Lebanon wars

The 6 day war and Yom Kippur are the important ones. The whole conflict also shows how Arabs didnít want peace and still donít. In fact today Israel has peace with Egypt and Jordan. After they didnít have much choice other than to accept.

Iím not going to go in to more detail on those, but indeed there is a lot that has gone unsaid. There is the situation with the Palestinians. They where in West bank and Gaza which where occupied by Jordan and Egypt respectively, who didnít give a dam about them and just horded them up in camps. Whilst the Palestinian sympathisers will say the suicide attacks on Israel are due to oppression, they cant explain why for 19 years of Egyptian and Jordanian rule there where still suicide attacks against Israel.

This is what makes the 6 day war significant since Israel took over those areas. A lot of the rest is very repetitive terrorist attacks against Israel, Israel tightens its grips, and the world condemns Israel. Israel has put road blocks, and built a wall along the border, it launches military incursions against the terrorists and civilians are killed in cross fire. Since 2000 alone over 1500 Israelis have died as a result of Palestinian terror. More Palestinians have been killed though half of those are known terrorists. The thing is if Israel attacks the terrorist retaliate, if Israel doesnít they see her as weak and so they attack even more!

Yasser Arafat (its worth noting he is the uncle of the grand mufti of Jerusalem who advocated the mass murder of Jews) rejected peace and responded to peace talks with a 4 year uprising. The arabs have since put forward a peace plan.

It includes giving away part of Israelís capital Jerusalem to the Palestinians as well as pulling out of the west bank. Oh and of course it includes right of return of 2.5 million hostile Palestinians to Israel, its basically calling for national suicide, and its not a surprise since their idea of peace is no Israel, Arafat said so and hamas do aswell. Their charter says their objective is the destruction of Israel. Hezbollahís leader said ďso let the Jews come to Israel it will mean we donít have to go all over the world to get themĒ Israel is dealing with these people and gets criticized by the world for it. The UN human rights watch since its opening last year made 9 resolutions 8 of which where against Israel one against Sudan. The UN proper has made 2/3 of its resolutions against Israel, as you can see most of the world isnít happy with the idea of a powerful Jewish state, they where happier when Jews where being led to the slaughter by the Germans.

To sum this side up, both sides Ďwant peaceí except the Arabs idea of peace is the dismantling of Israel, and the Jews living as 2nd class citizens in Arab states whilst being persecuted.

This has been a ridiculously brief history of the conflict, but if you want more then buy a book on it. But I suggest a real history book rather then one of these nut cases alternative history books. After all the same people that accuse Zionism of racism also accuse it of owning all the media, controlling the world governments, all the banks, of being responsible for 9/11, 7/7 and a whole load of other stuff including pokemon cards, banned in several Muslim countries since it is a Zionist plot to divert Muslim children away from Islam.
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Old 03-23-2007, 09:28 PM
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I don't understand why Zionism is bad? I thought it was just Nationalism? That's a great thing.

Can someone please correct me on this.
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Old 03-24-2007, 01:21 AM
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I don't understand why Zionism is bad? I thought it was just Nationalism? That's a great thing.

Can someone please correct me on this.
Its not a bad thing. That is simply anti Israel propaganda and is just a way to legitamise anti semitism. In Israel all people are equal under the law, unlike in the Arab world and unlike the Arabs portray the situation to be. Its atrocious that whilst Israel has the best standard of human rights in the whole middle east they are picked out for their violations ahead of any other country in the world.

Zionism is the wanting of Israel as a Jewish homeland. There is a lot of propaganda against it, but its simply based on conspiricy theories and catchy phrases and not on fact. 20% of Israelis are not Jewish and according to Arab states, Zionists have ethnicaly cleansed the land.

The Druze which is actualy an off shoot of Islam have been on the land for 400 years and when Israel fought the arabs in the war of independence, the Druze militia fought side by side with Jews and 1000 Jews from Syria defected to join Israel. This is because under Arab rule they where persecuted, to this day they remain extremly pro Israel. The fact that Israeli Druze are zionists really says it all.

Here is an example for you. To critisize zionism as being bad for wanting to keep Israel as a Jewish state is like critisizing the UK for not implmenting sharia law. In the UK every other minority group is content with just getting on witht heir lives, but there are Muslims who want an Islamic state. It is the same in Israel since Druze, Christians, Bedouin in Israel are all happy to live in Israel. They know that they are 1000 times better off living under a Jewish state then an islamic one but many of the Israeli arabs themselves want to destroy Israel from the inside. recently the only arab MK in Israel has called for a boycott of Israel! Imagine an American congressman calling for a Boycott of the USA.
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An excellent read. Brief but very informative and to those who may not know the "details" of what can be a complicated and continuous conflict, it explains alot.
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I hope these things, one day can be sorted out. It is no sin to hope.
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Very interesting post. Sort of the "Reader's Digest Condensed Version". You have encouraged me to read more. Learning about the historical underpinnings of the Palestinian/Israeli conflict is one of the reasons I joined this forum. Thanks.
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I agree. this is a very informative post and exactly the kind of info. that allows one to absorb the "big" picture. Thanks for all the work you put into it, Titanium.
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Yes it is agreeable. I am happy to be here too.
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This indeed was very interesting to read unlike the mostly one-sided youtbe which kinda portrays Israel as the "bad guy" and not to mention the countless anti-jew comments by the blind followers of "anything on youtube".
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Well done, accurate and concise.
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Thank you titanium. Despite being brief it really explains a lot. this is one of the reasons I joined this forum. To understand things such as this. I appreciate the time and effort it took you to post this.
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