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Yeah, they start plugging our warships then America starts plugging their whole country.
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that would be true when put in the context of a blue water fight resembling the battleship duels of WW1, yet Irans naval strategy recognizes its inherent weakness during a confrontation with the American navy and as such will base its efforts around simply blocking the straits of Hormuz using mines among other means, then sending fast boats packed with explosives to kamikaze against the minesweepers... these boats, to the best of my knowledge, are much tougher to target using missiles...
Have you read about MC02 wargame?
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Have you read about MC02 wargame?
MC02 doesnt sound familiar to me, so I'd have to say no, I have however read several analyses of what such a crisis would entail...
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MC02 doesnt sound familiar to me, so I'd have to say no, I have however read several analyses of what such a crisis would entail...
It does go well with some of your speculation really.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002
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It does go well with some of your speculation really.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002
thats very interesting, thanks for directing me to it
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It does go well with some of your speculation really.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002
I read about it on some other forum. Iran and other smaller navies could use swarming and saturation tactics which could have some really adverse effects.

Soviet legacy and Chinese ASMs are dime a dozen and quite effective too. One such example is INS Hanit incident. Though conditions might defer but results could be same.
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I read about it on some other forum. Iran and other smaller navies could use swarming and saturation tactics which could have some really adverse effects.
I doubt it, they'd be out-generaled, like Iraq was which the wargame scenario initially had in mind. The possibilities of course, if they had a top notch man in charge and personnel trained like Western Navies, are interesting to contemplate.
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I doubt it, they'd be out-generaled, like Iraq was which the wargame scenario initially had in mind. The possibilities of course, if they had a top notch man in charge and personnel trained like Western Navies, are interesting to contemplate.
Iraq was a different ball game. Sorry state of troops and equipment, lack of will to fight are some of the reasons which could be attributed to the routing of Iraqi forces. Many of these things may or may not repeat themselves but training and will is definitely there.

So out generaled, maybe but then I was never a huge fan of American tactics.
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Iraq was a different ball game. Sorry state of troops and equipment, lack of will to fight are some of the reasons which could be attributed to the routing of Iraqi forces. Many of these things may or may not repeat themselves but training and will is definitely there.

So out generaled, maybe but then I was never a huge fan of American tactics.
I do not rate Iran much that highly than Iraq, in their own wars both have shown to be of about the same calibre with strong motivation, but such factors only go so far and the Iraqi conventional campaign was a cakewalk for American forces.

The war game kept in mind the Iraq scenario btw, it was pre-OIF, any NATO Gen. commanding forces that Iraq had would have had a much better strategy no doubt, but the Iraqi Gen.'s themselves didn't.

I have a very poor opinion of Iranian Gen. staff., they are political appointments and any post WW-1 commander who thinks massed human wave attacks are sound military strategy is a strong contender for Darwin Awards .

I am a huge fan of American military tactics btw barring their COIN strategy. They win wars.
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TEHRAN – The Navy commander says Iran plans to hold a major naval war game in the Sea of Oman and the north of the Indian Ocean in the near future.

The war game, codenamed Velayat 90, differs from previous ones in terms of the vastness of the area of action and military equipment and tactics that would be employed in maneuvers, Rear Admiral Habibollah Sayyari said during a press conference on Saturday.


The war game will display Iran’s defensive and deterrent naval power, he said.


He also said that the Navy will take delivery of three domestically manufactured light submarines of the Ghadir class on November 28, which falls on the National Navy Day.


Commenting on the United States’ joint war games with certain regional countries, he said such moves are “psychological warfare”, which could not help improve security in the region.


He also advised regional countries to try to stand on their own feet because holding joint military exercises with arrogant powers will not enhance their military capability.


On the missions of the Iranian Navy’s fleets of warships in international waters, Sayyari said that 16 fleets of warships have been dispatched to open seas over the past two years.


Iranian warships have so far escorted 1300 merchant ships and oil tankers in the north of the Indian Ocean and the Gulf of Aden and came out on top in more than 100 clashes with pirate ships and foiled many ship hijacking attempts, he explained.


The Navy plans to equip its warships, which go on missions in international waters, with most advanced weapons to upgrade their combat capability, he added.
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US Fifth Fleet says won't allow Hormuz disruptionReuters / Tehran/dubai December 30, 2011, 1:00 IST
Iran threatened to block shipping after tension between Iran and the West increased following US’ preparations to impose sanctions on it.
The US Fifth Fleet yesterday said it would not allow any disruption of traffic in the Strait of Hormuz, after Iran threatened to stop ships moving through the world’s most important oil route.


“Anyone who threatens to disrupt freedom of navigation in an international strait is clearly outside the community of nations; any disruption will not be tolerated,” the Bahrain-based fleet said in an email. Iran, at loggerheads with the West over its nuclear programme, on Tuesday said it would stop the flow of oil through the Strait of Hormuz in the Gulf if sanctions were imposed on its crude exports.
“Closing the Strait of Hormuz for Iran’s armed forces is really easy ... or as Iranians say, it will be easier than drinking a glass of water,” Iran’s navy chief Habibollah Sayyari told Iran’s English-language Press TV yesterday.
“But right now, we don’t need to shut it ...,” said Sayyari, who is leading 10 days of exercises in the Strait.
Analysts say that Iran could potentially cause havoc in the Strait of Hormuz, a strip of water separating Oman and Iran, which connects the biggest Gulf oil producers, including Saudi Arabia, with the Gulf of Oman and the Arabian Sea. At its narrowest point, it is 21 miles across.
But its navy would be no match for the firepower of the Fifth Fleet which consists of 20-plus ships supported by combat aircraft, with 15,000 people afloat and another 1,000 ashore.
A spokesperson for the Fifth Fleet said in response to queries from Reuters that, it “maintains a robust presence in the region to deter or counter destabilising activities,” without providing further details.
A British Foreign Office spokesman called the Iranian threat “rhetoric,” saying: “Iranian politicians regularly use this type of rhetoric to distract attention from the real issue, which is the nature of their nuclear programme.”
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Tension has increased between Iran and the West after EU foreign ministers decided three weeks ago to tighten sanctions on the world’s number five crude exporter, but left open the idea of an embargo on Iranian oil.
The West accuses Iran of seeking a nuclear bomb; Tehran says its nuclear programme is for peaceful purposes only.
The Iranian threat pushed up international oil prices on Tuesday although they slipped back on Wednesday in thin trade.
“The threat by Iran to close the Strait of Hormuz supported the oil market yesterday, but the effect is fading today as it will probably be empty threats as they cannot stop the flow for a longer period due to the amount of US hardware in the area,” said Thorbjoern bak Jensen, an oil analyst with Global Risk Management.
The Strait of Hormuz is “the world’s most important oil chokepoint,” according to the US Department of Energy. About 40 per cent of all traded oil leaves the Gulf region through the strategic waterway.
The State Department said there was an “element of bluster” in the threat, but underscored that the United States, whose warships patrol in the area, would support the free flow of oil.
France urged Iran on Wednesday to adhere to international law that allows all ships freedom of transit in the Strait.
Iran’s international isolation over its defiant nuclear stance is hurting the country’s oil-dependent economy, but Iranian officials have shown no sign of willingness to compromise.
Iran dismisses the impact of sanctions, saying trade and other measures imposed since the 1979 Islamic revolution toppled the US-backed shah have made the country stronger.
During a public speech in Iran’s western province of Ilam yesterday, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad implied Tehran had no intention of changing course.
“We will not yield to pressure to abandon our rights ... The Iranian nation will not withdraw from its right (to nuclear technology) even one iota because of the pressures,” said Ahmadinejad, whose firm nuclear stance has stoked many ordinary Iranians’ sense of national dignity.
Some Iranian oil officials have admitted that foreign sanctions were hurting the key energy sector that was in desperate need of foreign investment.
Though four rounds of the UN sanctions do not forbid the purchase of Iranian oil, many international oil firms and trading companies have stopped trading with Iran.
“Showing their teeth”
The United States and Israel have not ruled out military action if sanctions fail to rein in Iran’s nuclear work.
An Iranian analyst who declined to be named said the leadership could not reach a compromise with the West over its nuclear activities as it “would harm its prestige among its core supporters.”
As a result, he said, “Iranian officials are showing their teeth to prevent a military strike.”
But he added that closing the Strait of Hormuz would harm Iran’s economy, undermining the Iranian leadership ahead of a parliamentary election in March.
The election will be the first litmus test of the clerical establishment’s popularity since the 2009 disputed presidential vote, that the opposition says was rigged to secure Ahmadinejad’s re-election.
The vote was followed by eight months of anti-government street protests and created a deepening political rift among the hardline rulers.
With the opposition leaders under house arrest since February and the main reformist political parties banned since the vote, Iranian hardline rulers are concerned a low turnout would question the establishment’s legitimacy.
Frustration is simmering among lower- and middle-class Iranians over Ahmadinejad’s economic policies. Prices of most consumer goods have risen substantially and many Iranians struggle to make ends meet.
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I think Iranian officials have been reading this thread, it struck a nerve and they wanted to try something out. Obviously they havent been listening to us, as we have clearly stated Iran would lose in any Naval war with the United States Navy! Hahaha!
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Here's an assessment from a neutral source that is usually bound to not say anything in favour of US at all, the Russian Navy -

http://rt.com/politics/iran-us-russi...it-hormuz-919/

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According to a high-ranking Russian naval official, the combat potential of a US naval group that has entered the Strait of Hormuz is more powerful than the Iranian Navy and coastal forces in the region.
“The Iranian Navy's combat resources are incomparable with the potential of the US aircraft carrier group that has entered the Strait of Hormuz and are incapable of opposing it. No, certainly no," Deputy Navy Commander Adm. Ivan Kapitanets told Interfax on Thursday.
The aircraft carrier USS John C. Stennis and escort ships have entered the area of an Iranian naval exercise east of the Strait of Hormuz.

Kapitanets said the US naval force would “smash” the Iranian coastal installations.
“The Iranian Navy is coastal and can protect the country's interests in the coastal waters. As for the Americans, they have full-scale oceanic naval forces,” the Russian naval commander said. “Therefore, there can be no comparison here. An aircraft carrier with its deck fighters and escort ships can smash Iranian coastal installations and surface ships.”
The Iranian naval commander disagrees.

Seyyed Mahmoud Musavi, the Iranian Navy’s deputy commander for operations, said that the Iranian Navy was ready to confront foreign naval groups that could enter the area of its military exercises, where it is holding maneuvers.

Despite the tense situation and militant rhetoric on both sides, Kapitanets believes both sides will show restraint.

"The US's actions are certainly provocative, but the matter is unlikely to go as far as direct military confrontation,” he said. “Certainly, the situation in the region is very complicated, but it is unlikely to grow into military actions.”

The Iranians say the exercises are within the norms of international law and should be respected.

"We are ready to confront the violators who disregard the security perimeters set for the drills in line with international law," Musavi said.
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We would obliterate the Iranian Navy!
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Iran all the way!
With such statements, your stay with us might be shortlived.
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Excuse me.
Did I ever state ANYTHING against Israel? No.
I'll thank you, Sir, if you'll lay off the accusations.
How can you be pro Iran military, and still love Israel? I think you need to clarify something and shouting at the Admin is a big mistake. Lower your tone and answer the question.
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Yeah Iran all the way, except they couldn't defeat a rag tag Iraqi Army for a decade, got spanked in the Tanker War and even their own supplier Russia 's Admirals dismiss their Navy's capabilities.

Yeah, now THAT makes perfect sense I suppose
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I say we kill this thread it's just worthless. The US Navy is a global force that commands respect and fear tangle with it at your peril. We have a long tradution of victory at sea. We know how to fight enemy ships, subs, aircraft, and land targets. We train hard we keep our ships at a high state of readiness. And most importantly while every Marine is a rifleman every sailor is a Damage Controlman.

Our ships can take a punch because the crews can take a punch, you can bet we will punch back much harder.
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I say we kill this thread it's just worthless. The US Navy is a global force that commands respect and fear tangle with it at your peril. We have a long tradution of victory at sea. We know how to fight enemy ships, subs, aircraft, and land targets. We train hard we keep our ships at a high state of readiness. And most importantly while every Marine is a rifleman every sailor is a Damage Controlman.

Our ships can take a punch because the crews can take a punch, you can bet we will punch back much harder.
Yes this thread has outlasted itself enough already. lol


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