M16 Designated Marksman question

[New Ron]

As my fellow moderator rafi has warned please all members try and be civil here, we are suppossed to be all on the same side, let's leave the world of in-fighting to Sunnis & Shi-ites, PLO vs Hamas LOL.

Originally Posted by Roei Hazan

Admins i cant see any good reason why he speak to me like that, even tho he answer my "stupid" question.

Oh Roei you behave so innocent......and yet check out your own insolent answers below that I have quoted. As Scelli has rightly said, you act "cute" to some members, but are starting to really cross the line here. I hope this is clear to you.

Originally Posted by Roei Hazan

I upload that picture for the M16 rifle picture, i don't care whose in it.
BTW what is the guy's name Scelli?

Originally Posted by Roei Hazan

I am not going to transatle now all the useless things that you just wrote...Peace.
back to my question..anyone?

[Boanerges]

New Ron,
With regards to the afore mentioned posting, the "dumb asses" remark was not directed toward any specific individual attached to this site. Had it been, I would have been point specific. If you review the post you 'll see that I make mention of "concept of marksmenship" and a type of "program." Again, there is no mention of individuals!
It was aimed at the decision makers and those having the power to bring about and implement their ideas i.e. high level U.S.Military Brass. You know, the non-trigger pullers, those that are far removed from the recipients of their god like dictates.
This is an attitude that is fairly prevelant amongst those of my generation, having seen training time/range time reduced and overall qualification scores lowered so as to ensure a sufficient number of students graduate. Can't make the training to hard.
So to make everyone happy, I will give myself a time out card, and undergo a self imposed exile. Adieu!

[scelli]

Originally Posted by Boanerges

This is an attitude that is fairly prevalent amongst those of my generation, having seen training time/range time reduced and overall qualification scores lowered so as to ensure a sufficient number of students graduate. Can't make the training too hard.

Have to definitely agree with you on that particular point, Boanerges!

[New Ron]

Originally Posted by Boanerges

New Ron,
With regards to the afore mentioned posting, the "dumb asses" remark was not directed toward any specific individual attached to this site. Had it been, I would have been point specific. If you review the post you 'll see that I make mention of "concept of marksmenship" and a type of "program." Again, there is no mention of individuals!
It was aimed at the decision makers and those having the power to bring about and implement their ideas i.e. high level U.S.Military Brass. You know, the non-trigger pullers, those that are far removed from the recipients of their god like dictates.
This is an attitude that is fairly prevelant amongst those of my generation, having seen training time/range time reduced and overall qualification scores lowered so as to ensure a sufficient number of students graduate. Can't make the training to hard.
So to make everyone happy, I will give myself a time out card, and undergo a self imposed exile.

Ok I will take your explanation on this to be truthful. I'm sorry if I misunderstood you there. I know you have the experiences that make you want to tell it like it is.

This thread has had some negative tension here and there, lets make sure it doesnt get out of hand, thats all I'm trying to do.

I personally don't think you need to go on a self imposed exile, if I felt your post was way out of hand I would have taken some other kind of action. I Hope you reconsider your self imposed exile

[Boanerges]

New Ron,
I'mmmmmmmmmm BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAck!!!!!!!!!!!
Let me start out by saying this. I have a number of loves in my life. (1)The great G-- of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, (2) My family, (3) My country, (4) Israel, (5) Guns, sniper rifles specifically, (6) Instructing the martial arts of marksmenship to those who want to learn it. These are the passions of my life. They mean a lot to me.
When I was in the military, I spent around 7 of 20 yrs. teaching various military subjects to my charges. They're survival on the field of battle was of the utmost importance to me.
It is to this end, that I offer what ever knowlege, advice, and council I have, to whom ever finds it worthwhile.
When I conclude my firearms classes, I close by telling my students that "on the field of battle, Marksmenship is the most important - all encompassing- idea there is. It will determine the difference between those who will live and those who will die. That they owe it to their families, their fellow officers, and themselves to become better in their shooting abilities. For their future will depend on how well they accomplish that task."
Now let us, together, be about this task, so we can deal with evils that are about us!

[Boanerges]

Archangel,
In your post on "hemisphere and coriolis affect" it's a north/south thing, not an east/west thing.
Bubba, this ain't ment as a put down.

[New Ron]

Welcome back Boanerges lol! :)

[milluim]

BOANERGES I see Israel is only number 4 on your list
well have to do something about that : )

[Boanerges]

Originally Posted by milluim

BOANERGES I see Israel is only number 4 on your list
well have to do something about that : )

I never said which order I preferred. The truth is, Israel is #2 on that list.
Scriptures say that "Israel is the Apple of G--'S Eye," and I'm not one who wants to go around and stick my finger in the Eye Of G--!
Even as I type this, my eyes are sweating!

[Sgt. Cav]

Boanerges, from your attitude and HUA demeanor, I place you in the wantabee category.

Your knowledge as expressed by these musings;

What good is it to have a long barreled weapon, if one has no concept of marksmenship?
The U.S. Army's designated marksmenship program is a joke! Their sniper program isn't what it use to be either. Compare an old sniper to what's being produced today, and you'll shake your head in disbelief.
More bullets down range is always better..... isn't it? What a bunch of dumb a***s!
The only U.S. Military Branch of Service that teaches and practices marksmenship is the U.S. Marines.
Designated Marksmen as used and defined by the U.S. Army is a nonsequitur.

Shows a complete lack of knowledge of the SDM, or the Army Sniper Program, and the differences between the DM and the Sniper, which in turn tells me you don't really know squat about what you are running off at the sewer hole about.

A DM is not intended to be a Sniper, but a squad asset much as the squad machine gun, or the grenadier, the DM's main role is still as a infantryman, but with superior skills as a marksman, and the ability to engage multiple targets in a rapid and precise manner to neutralize the threats.

The DM role differs significantly from that of a specially trained sniper. While a sniper will generally work individually, as part of a two-man scout-sniper team or small sniper team, a DM is often one of a unit of soldiers who has received some extra marksmanship training. DM's generally assume the role temporarily as required by different combat scenarios; moving from a general infantry role to a marksmanship role as the need arises and back again. By comparison, a sniper will generally only ever operate as such unless forced to conduct him or herself in an alternate manner under exceptional circumstances.
Designated marksmen are integral members of regular infantry squads or platoons, much like machine-gunners or grenadiers.
Snipers are ordinarily equipped with purpose-built bolt-action or semi-automatic sniper rifles while DMs are most often equipped with accurized battle rifles or assault rifles. They will often carry a modified version of the weapon others in their unit are carrying while a sniper is assigned purpose-built equipment which may make him effective at range but cumbersome in close-fire combat situations.
Snipers are mainly employed for targets at ranges of up to 1,400 metres (1,530 yd) or more using rifles with larger ammunition while DMs are utilized for targets at ranges of up to 800 metres (870 yd) using a rifle chambered with standard-issue rifle ammunition. In addition, snipers often take a fixed strategic position and camouflage themselves (e.g. with a Ghillie suit) while a DM will generally move with his or her unit and will often not have any more or less camouflage gear than other unit members.

Yes, I wouldn't want to put my behind out as a target for any sniper, Army or Marine;

United States Army Spc. Nick Ranstad while deployed to Nuristan Province, Afghanistan with the 173rd Airborne, 1-91st Airborne Cavalry "Hatchet" Recon Platoon took out a Taliban target that he and his spotter had been stalking from 2100 meters (1.3 miles). Nick's shot is now confirmed as a US Army record for a sniper kill in Afghanistan.[52] Ranstad then provided suppressive fire until air support could move in to eliminate a second target.

U.S. Army Staff Sergeant Timothy L. Kellner - regarded as one of the top snipers still active in the U.S. Army with 139 confirmed kills and over 100 unconfirmed during Operation Iraqi Freedom.[51],

[milluim]

Originally Posted by Boanerges

I never said which order I preferred. The truth is, Israel is #2 on that list.
Scriptures say that "Israel is the Apple of G--'S Eye," and I'm not one who wants to go around and stick my finger in the Eye Of G--!
Even as I type this, my eyes are sweating!

Love that post made me smile on a foggy sat night :)

[scelli]

Originally Posted by Sgt. Cav

Boanerges, from your attitude and HUA demeanor, I place you in the wantabee category.

Just to lighten things up a little bit on this thread: By the military acronym HUA, are you referring to "Heard! Understood! Acknowledged!"....or that other meaning?

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by Boanerges

Archangel,
As a sniper, using 7.62 & 300 win. mag. I make shots out to 12000/13000yds. Not once has the coriolis affect been taken into account on my behalf. That however doesn't mean that it had no influence. If it did, I couldn't tell.
I've heard it mentioned on T.V. & in the movies, but there's a lot on the screen that's not factual.
In Vietnam, as a UH1C gunship pilot, I can say that I've shot hundred of thousands of rounds (7.62 rockets, 40MM grenades, .50 cal.) and never took it into account.

Very interesting. I haven't been able to shoot out far enough to warrant a worry about it yet. Houses are kinna close around here and I need not endanger someone recklessly.

Originally Posted by Boanerges

having seen training time/range time reduced and overall qualification scores lowered so as to ensure a sufficient number of students graduate. Can't make the training to hard.

Yeah I heard you guys had the real DIs. They were not restricted from certain things to retard (trying to use that word in a dictionary sense, not as an insult there) their training effectiveness in the name of political correctness which is politically correct for irrationally tolerated bovine scatology. lol

I salute the vets for those DIs. They could make an angry drunkard cry. lol

As for tougher training, I would hope I would find the fortitude to rise to the occasion and become a better shooter instead of trying to complain about it.

Originally Posted by Boanerges

Archangel,
In your post on "hemisphere and coriolis affect" it's a north/south thing, not an east/west thing.
Bubba, this ain't ment as a put down.

Oh I knew that. I used Hemispherical geography because the western hemisphere includes where I am, North America. According to the theory in South America it would supposedly veer in the other direction but you've already mentioned that you have found no need to factor that into any long distance shots.

So I understand you're just being as clear on the issue as you can.

Originally Posted by scelli

Just to lighten things up a little bit on this thread: By the military acronym HUA, are you referring to "Heard! Understood! Acknowledged!"....or that other meaning?

lol Nicely done with the punchline. lol

[Boanerges]

Sgt. Cav.
Why must you revert to demeaning name calling and ad homminem attacks?
With a college+ education I'd think you would be able to do better than that.
A wantabee, not hardly. An areabee, most definitely, got the credentials and the body count with which to back it. A wasabee, yes that too.
From your title, background brief, and posted picture, I see you're proud of the Cav. tradition.
I too once served with a Cav. unit; the 2nd ACR, Nurnburg, Germany 73-76. They were the biggest bunch of misfits I ever had the displeasure of serving with. You however seem to have found a home there in the Cav. Oh, and by the way, from the picture you've posted, you need to go on a diet PUSS GUT!!!!

[New Ron]

Ladies please, lets keep the chit chat friendly. Rafi's warning still holds.....

[Boanerges]

Sorry New Ron, I just couldn't pass it up! I'll take what ever punishment you guys deem necessary, even eternal banishment if needs be.
It comes from an over active, cynical, deranged, snide warped, mind, I guess.
Does this site by chance offer on line mental health services? I'll volunteer for self committal, in an act of repentance if that's acceptable.

[rafi]

And with that, ladies and gentlemen, this thread comes to a close.

Our friends, Mr. Boanerges and Mr. Roei will be taking seven day vacations from the web site, suspended until January 31, as promised.

We do not insult fellow posters in such a manner.