World War III

[Roei Hazan]

I'm going to change the map lines according to what you're saying, hope you right

[New Ron]

Originally Posted by Roei Hazan

I'm going to change the map lines according to what you're saying, hope you right

I am right, I asked Borat to make sure

[air-on]

Originally Posted by SpacemanSpiff

Personally, I prefer Norman Podhoretz's classification of the current conflict as WW IV. See:
World War IV: How It Started, What It Means, and Why We Have to Win in Commentary Magazine. (The thinking being that the Cold War, including Korea, Berlin, Cuban Missile Crisis, Vietnam, and the 56, 67, and 73 Arab-Israeli wars, was WWIII)

Ground control to SpacemanSpiff:
Jaw-dropping article, thanks for the hint. 30,000 words, I am 1/3 through, and I am amazed! I recommend the reading to all my fellow men/women here.
Biggoted, anti-semitic americans chastise the USA government for "fighting Israel's wars" because of a "Jewish lobby in D.C.". Little do they know that Israel is their farthest outpost. We take the beating at the frontier, but the attacks have long reached US mailand - It is a war alright, but not Israel's only, it's the western culture as a whole that is at risk.
Great job, SpacemanSpiff, very educational post. Keep up the good work!

[SpacemanSpiff]

Air-on:

Yeah, I know it is a long article. Sorry.

Now that you have read the article, let me ask you for your thoughts about democritising the Arab world. Is it doable ?

Me, I am not the optimist, but do wish that three basic concepts could be taught the Arab world:

1) Your poor living conditions are your own fault, and your own responsibility. Change your own countries.

2) Terrorists in your midst are also your responsibility. (And don't anyone say that some Islamic countries are lawless. All cultures have taboos that cannot be broken. Just try urinating on a Koran in "lawless" Yemen or Afghanistan, and see what happens.)

3) Mostly as a corrollary to 2), this business of allowing every political organization to have its own military is just insane. Can you imagine what the US would be like if the Republicans and Democrats had their own rocket forces ? If the Rotary Club had suicide bombers ? If the Salvation Army really was an army ? Is it any wonder that Arab countries are so screwed up ?

[air-on]

SpacemanSpiff, I am still in the process of read/savour "WWIV", so I will answer your question after I finish it.
However, I am "flabbergsted" (hehe, that's quite British, he!) at Obama's treatment of the panty-bomber (as Scelli quite jockingly termed this son of a banker (hahaha, banker=wh*re). Had this guy succeed, what would be the public outcry in the US today? One can only imagine!
As the article points out as Bush's doctrine "Second Pillar", and I quote:

"No longer would we treat the members of these groups as criminals to be arrested by the police, read their Miranda rights, and brought to trial. From now on, they were to be regarded as the irregular troops of a military alliance at war with the United States, and indeed the civilized world as a whole."

McCain and Joe Lieberman are visiting Israel this week. I hope the US voters fill the House with a majority of Republicans in 2010, and that the GOP selects the finest man possible to chase away Obama and the scourge he brought with him from the White House (which should be provisionally called Red, both because of the social commies therein and of shame on their betrayal of the most basic American values).
2012 cannot come any faster!

[Roei Hazan]

noting new.

[rafi]

Originally Posted by air-on

McCain and Joe Lieberman are visiting Israel this week. I hope the US voters fill the House with a majority of Republicans in 2010, and that the GOP selects the finest man possible to chase away Obama and the scourge he brought with him from the White House (which should be provisionally called Red, both because of the social commies therein and of shame on their betrayal of the most basic American values).
2012 cannot come any faster!

We love Joe here in Connecticut and are thrilled that Chris Dodd has decided to spend more time with his family. Despite the factthat he was polling at about 23%

Right now it looks real good for Dick Blumenthal to get the seat. He replaced Lieberman as Attorney General when Lieberman got into the Senate.

All eyes today are focused on Massachussetts. Democrats outnumber Republicans 3 or 4 to 1 there, and it still looks like the Democrat might lose. Be a big slap in the face to the White House.

[COOL DUDE]

Germany have good equipment. Thats about it. They have had no active combat experience in 60 years.
Germany is not a contender.
Anyone can start a war but not everyone can win one. Experience is probably the No1 deciding factor in the outcome of any war/battle. With experience comes the ability to outsmart the enemy and have the ability to second guess the enemy. Germany simply dose not have that capability. In Afghanistan the German troops are not involved in front line combat duties. Israel may be small but then again so is a Nuclear bomb. Its not the size of the army its they way you use, deploy and manage your army thats important and Israel is on top of the ladder as far as that goes.

[Roei Hazan]

Originally Posted by COOL DUDE

Germany have good equipment. Thats about it. They have had no active combat experience in 60 years.
Germany is not a contender.
Anyone can start a war but not everyone can win one. Experience is probably the No1 deciding factor in the outcome of any war/battle. With experience comes the ability to outsmart the enemy and have the ability to second guess the enemy. Germany simply dose not have that capability. In Afghanistan the German troops are not involved in front line combat duties. Israel may be small but then again so is a Nuclear bomb. Its not the size of the army its they way you use, deploy and manage your army thats important and Israel is on top of the ladder as far as that goes.

I agree with any word.
and i like it when you compare Israel to a Nuclear :P

[betgilson]

We shouldn´t be inocente or foul ourselves when we talk about Germany.
Looking back to History teaches us that Germany has a "special talent" in being belligerent, it is in the genes, in the German´s nature.
The Romans had also big difficulties to fight against them.
The German is ingenious and methodic and there is probably only ONE thing that can gather the Germans together,a conflict.
The tiger is now tamed but the "nature to bite" is there. Just that Germany lost its identity turned to a consuming society with huge lobbies which doens´t know exactly in what a direction to go. But one thing is pretty sure, Germany wishes to stick together with Israel for SHAME for the WW2.

The German is, in my opinion, the most capable man power after the Israeli(Jews).
I always thought, it could be the main reason why they killed 6 million Jews on the WW2.. to eliminate competition.
And although the German citizen feels bad talking about the Jews and the holocaust the majority in Germany definetely don´t like the Jews and the German government politics of support to Israel.
In the German living rooms much has been talked in the last decades about the Jews and it hasn´t been positive in the most cases. I know that well.
Who cares?
Israel can only relly on G-d and on itself.

[Roei Hazan]

Originally Posted by betgilson

We shouldn´t be inocente or foul ourselves when we talk about Germany.
Looking back to History teaches us that Germany has a "special talent" in being belligerent, it is in the genes, in the German´s nature.
The Romans had also big difficulties to fight against them.
The German is ingenious and methodic and there is probably only ONE thing that can gather the Germans together,a conflict.
The tiger is now tamed but the "nature to bite" is there. Just that Germany lost its identity turned to a consuming society with huge lobbies which doens´t know exactly in what a direction to go. But one thing is pretty sure, Germany wishes to stick together with Israel for SHAME for the WW2.

The German is, in my opinion, the most capable man power after the Israeli(Jews).
I always thought, it could be the main reason why they killed 6 million Jews on the WW2.. to eliminate competition.
And although the German citizen feels bad talking about the Jews and the holocaust the majority in Germany definetely don´t like the Jews and the German government politics of support to Israel.
In the German living rooms much has been talked in the last decades about the Jews and it hasn´t been positive in the most cases. I know that well.
Who cares?
Israel can only relly on G-d and on itself.

I LOVE it when i see that i'm not the only one who aware of the dengerous about Germany.
my english is too bad to explane why. time will tell.

[betgilson]

I am no sure how dangerous Germany could or will be in the future.
Nothing is going to happen outside of the EU, the game rules are clear, after this point of view there is no possibility to see Germany acting as in the past.

[Roei Hazan]

Originally Posted by betgilson

I am no sure how dangerous Germany could or will be in the future.
Nothing is going to happen outside of the EU, the game rules are clear.

i hope it's like that. and i thank you for your last posts, telling things i could'nt say to let the people know.
that was the point of this hole thread..

[Markaurelius]

Hey,
I'm most probably a German Jew (the Jewish part is being confirmed but the german part 100%) and I can tell you one thing...Don't worry about die Bundeswehr. Yes, it has alot of high-tech etc. but did you know that German soldiers gained on average 10kg? Did you know that soldiers get fresh roll's while training for a few days in a forest (I guess they are supposed to learn some survivle stuff or something)? Did you know that in Afghanistan german soldiers have the RIGHT for one bottle of wine per day and a carrywurts (sausage) and bear. And so the mighty German Army in Afghanistan drunk about 94k bottles of wine. I dont remember how much bear and carrywursts they had. Guys and Girls... they (Germans in Afghanistan) are watching football games instead of fighting. One time the English were underfire and called Germans for help. It was getting dark and the german command sad that they won't fight in dark and did not help their allies.
For me it's weird. But that's just me ;)

Someone sad something about german people that they do not like the fact that the gov. supports (more or less) Israel. Don't worry. Is there any nation that supports Jews except Jews? Definitely it's hard to find such a nation, don't you think?

betgilson sad something very true: "Israel can only relly on G-d and on itself."

Shalom
Mark Aurelius